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Full text of "Stop Look & Listen #3"

"This modern age so full of grief. I've turned away from it's belief. 
I watch society disagrees. And it just looks like one big mess. I can't 

believe the things I hear or see. In this world there's no remorse. 
Now's the time we must change our course. Those of us who've seen 

*he way, must stand and fight for a brighter day." Age Of Quarrel 



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Death Is Not Glamorous. Affirmation. Sunrise. 

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Cro~Mags "Age Of Quarrel". Columns. Reviews. 



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Hi. This is Stop, Look & Listen number 3. 
There were definitely too many words in the introduction to the last issue, so 
this time I decided to keep it short. 

Well many things have changed for me in the recent months. I had a lot of 
spare time last year so 1 could just sit down and write the first two issues, 
whereas today the priorities have changed a little bit. I have had very little 
time for anything private or not work related. Still, "Stop, Look & Listen" 
remains very much on my mind, but there was not that much time for actually 
transferring it by using computer keyboard. In the past I could allow myself 
lots of time for typing and editing in front of the screen, today it's more about 
writing random notes on pieces of paper and carrying it in pockets until I 
finally have a moment to collect them, put them together and make sure they 
really represent what I want to say. That's the way this issue was done and I 
hope the damage isn't too drastic. Change of continent/country and available 
choices caused changes in the layout, size and printing method for this issue so 
it seems like it's all gonna look different. Whatever way it looks I hope it's 
going to be a progression from the last issue and you will find something good 
on these pages. I didn't get some stuff I wanted to have in this issue, and then 
everything got delayed due to that. But still I think there are some pretty awe- 
some people in this one with some good things to say. Okay, I suppose that 
there may be some brave or controversial statements on a few of these pages, 
but it's only to represent people's ides and see how we feel about this. After 
all this is suppose to be challenging and encouraging your own opinions. 
Besides lack of time, it's still the same struggle with own frustrations and 
trying to be a bit more creative and aware of what's going on around. It's 
really great to be getting feedback, so I'd like to thank very much 
everyone who has written after checking out the first two issues. 
Sometimes it really surprises me how enjoyable some of you have 
found this zine and it surely humbles as well as inspires ideas j 
for the future issues. All I can say is thank you for giving it a 
chance, reading and finding time to share. 
This issue is dedicated to all the disconnected who try to 
connect with the others together creating this community. 
Thank you all. Until the next issue.. .Keep Your Eyes Open. 
R. 



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issue would have not been possible without kindness 
of the following: 
Christian & Death Is Not Glamorous, Peter & Crucial Re- 
sponse Records, Dave & Affirmation, John McKaig, Pat & 
Sunrise, Vic DiCara, Jasper/A Step Apart, Jason Kolins 
XXX, Rich Miles. Thank you so much. 

Extra thanks goes to Pressure Rising for recording awesome 
demo and giving me permission to copy it and attach to the 
first hundred copies of this issue. Check them out : 
www. my space, com/pressurerisinghc 

Thank you as well for your help and dedicated spirit: 
Forced Forward, 108, Erik Anarchy & Soulfire, Adam/ 
Revelation Records, awesome Luke Wolagiewicz, Dziki, 
Pawel, Patrycja Gagan, The Essence & Last Item, Robert & 
Abandon Ship, Nico & Sailin On Zine, Robert/Collapse 
Records, Apostolis (Greece), Ronald/NJW Records, Franke/ 
Crucial Attack Distro, Willxxx, Shawn & Stake Out Distro, 
Jan & Capeet Distro, Pete/Courage To Care, Diogo/Wake 
Up And Live Zine, Gather, Pauley (Jax). 

Photo credits for this issue include: 
Luke Wolagiewicz, Robbie Redcheeks, Patrycja Gagan, 
Jase EdgeJedi, Death Is Not Glamorous & friends, Affirma- 
tion & friends, Peter/CxR Records, www.cromags.com, 
www.myspace.com/cromagsfanpage... 

Graphics in this issue: 

Dziki has been very kind and allowed me to use his draw- 
ings on this page (right corner) as well as page 8 and the last 
one with SL&L logo. Thank you ! 

Special thanks to my wife Lauren for making it possible too. 



"Did you ever question any of the things they thought while you 
were at school. And did you ever question "Oh my teacher, why 
do you take me for a fool?". When you are all alone, you'll search 

for love but theyll have none. This is the seed that they have 
sewn. Don't be afraid, a better place has yet to come. And when 
they won't teach or reach or feed you and they do is leave you, 

deceive you. Be true to yourself and 

save your mind. Lesson for the young. 

So now let's fly away into the light of a 

brand new sun. The time has come. 

r We'll meditate, communicate, escalate, 

v R\ Don't be late. We just can't wait to liber- 
^^^ ^^h\^ '• ate tms human race. Go! Rise up, you 
got to rise. Rise up you, wake up and 
rise. Don't let them to take away your 
culture. Don't let them to take away 
your future. Rise up. You got to rise." 
"Rise" Bad Brains 



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Without communication this is one sided experience. Feel free to get in touch: 
STOPLOOKLISTENHC@YAHOO.COM 
XSTOPLOOKANDLISTENX^SMAIL 
AIM; ROB CONFRONT 

Please feel free to visit the website that has some stuff from the zine, live 
recordings from some Hard Core classic bands as well as new demos from 
young bands. . . Don't forget to drop a line in the guestbook ! 
WWW.STOPLOOKANDLISTENZINE.COM 

There is also Inside Out profile that I have created, where you can find demo 
recordings etc. I'm looking for any old stuff that was printed about this band, 
so if you have any interviews or show reviews please get in touch! 
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/ INSIDEOUTHC 



STOP LOOK "&, LISTEN # 3 



HARD CORE MAGAZINE 



"Hardcore is in a confusing state right now. Bands and people present themselves as being part of the 

hardcore scene when they are not. Corporations and record labels that are not hardcore try and present 

themselves as if they are a part of the underground, but all they do is what amounts to a co-opting of the 

surface, style aspects of what they think is our culture, all done with the intent of destroying it. Much of 

what is said about what hardcore is or isn't needs to be challenged, including what I and the bands say 

here tonight. This has to be done, because this culture has to be a living, evolving thing, open to honest, 

constructive criticism. We conduct this critique in order to bring things into the light, and because we 

need to do this in order to take possession of everything that happens here. This challenge to what is said 

by me and these bands here tonight also has to be done because this culture that we have built is under 

attack by people who will do anything to keep us from questioning and critiquing that very culture. They 

attack it because they are uncreative and uninspired parasites, and they need us in order to define their 

lame attempt at self-realization. 
Hardcore is ... yelling back words to a band vocalist, words very often written by a band member in a dark 
corner of the room on a lonely night in a time of desperation and agony. Those words are put out there 
because the world needs them, not because the world needs more entertainment. Hardcore is going-off on 
the dance floor as if the music and the words are the most important thing in the world to you, and not 
caring what you look like when you're doing it, and then at the end of the song you look to your friends 
and give them a hug and let them know that YOU know those words and that music was just as much for 
them as it was for you. Hardcore is about sticking up for your friends when they're right and when they're 
innocent, and it's about challenging them and encouraging them to do the right thing when they're in the 
wrong and they're the aggressor. Hardcore is about using this soapbox for saying something that the 
world needs to hear, not what the world is already comfortable hearing. Hardcore is getting up here and 
telling us what you think in a specific, thorough way - it's not chanting trite slogans. Hardcore is about 
doing something to make this scene and this world better, not talking about doing it or whining about 
what you think is wrong with it on messageboards and websites. Hardcore is about recognizing that we all 
are different from the rest of the world, and that we want to keep it that way. We don't want our culture 
co-opted by corporations and then sold back to us as "alternative". Hardcore is about overcoming the re- 
lentless pressure of society that says that to be a man you have to show-off how hard you think you are to 
your friends, and pose, and objectify women. Hardcore is about overcoming the idea that you should take 
pride in your physical power and in using that power against those that you think are weaker than you. 
Might doesn't make right. Hardcore is bands leaving their friends and families for months at a time and 
traveling in vans all night long and eating crappy fast food and losing sleep just so that they can play to 
1 00 kids so that those kids can finally know what it is to be alive, and to know what real passion and dedi- 
cation is, if only for that short 30 minute set. Hardcore is about those kids that do shows on their own in 
small venues and lose money every show just so that they can create an oasis of a real community in this 
desert of corporate produced, packaged music product. Hardcore is about traveling with your friends to 
shows so that you can show support to your brothers and sisters in cities everywhere - hardcore 
is not Syracuse or NYC or Orange County or Boston or Seattle or Montreal or Philly - 
"(^\D ^TjpcnpD ATT(")1M hardcore is kids everywhere who know what it is to be a part of something that is 

both big and small ... big enough to include everyone who respects people on the 

OF A FACE. AN IMAGE basis of their character, not by the shit that they buy and wear, and not judging 

_, T^/^v r»T^ T TT ^ T r ^ them based on the body they were born with ... and small enough to ensure 

f\ of fcv^, 1 /\l_,Lt, 1 v_/ Kl OfcLL/ that we remain an antidote to the vile shit that the rest of the 

AND VIEWED WITH REVERENCE; world wants t0 shove down our throat " 

DON'T QUESTION IT HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON TO A 
LIE. THEY ARE NOT WHO OR WHAT YOU THINK BUT I KINDA 
DOUBT YOU CARE. AN EMPTY AESTHETIC IS WHAT YOU'RE 
LOOKING FOR, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T REALIZE IT, YOU 
DON'T WANT TO BE CHALLENGED. SOUL BEARING, IDEA 
SHARING BUT NOTHING IS BEING SAID. AN IDEA, A BELIEF 
WAS THERE BUT YOU REDUCED IT TO A TITLE, AND I NEED 
SOMETHING MORE. WHERE IS THE DOUBT? WHERE IS THE 
ANGER? WHERE IS OUR BLOOD? WE HAVE DEAD BLOOD." 
"Dead Blood" Forced Forward 



STOP, LOOK ^, LISTEN # 3 



WINTER/SPRING 2006 



Is there any meaning behind all of this? Is there something that makes it 
all different than just pointless actions and unvalued existence? Is there 
anything at all?. ..I need to go and figure it out for myself. I want to find 
some answers, I want to search for some understanding and introduce 
something good out of this in my life. There must be something more, 
otherwise it feels like nothing has any purpose and I'm just heading for 
being eaten by worms when the unquestionable end comes. 



Where someone finds happiness I see pain. Where I find hope someone 
finds distress. We all look at the same things that may cause us to feel in 
the opposite ways and often turn violent. So how is it possible to live next 
to each other? More than two thousand years have proved that it isn't, or 
at least not for a longer length of time when one conflict follows another 
and bloodshed never ends. All that's possible is for us to open eyes and 
see that others will choose to live in a different way. All that's possible is 
to try to open minds and realize that other may not agree with us and ex- 
press their own opinions that put a different light on things. All that may 
be possible is to limit our possessiveness and greed for domination over 



other's existence. One thing is for sure, we easily load guns and open 
camps for victims of our visions. Whether it's in our own households or 
on the international arenas, we want superiority and submission. Anything 
else is just a hope and possibility of change by mending everyday life and 
our approach. 



Not only searching for meaning and happiness, but also hoping to live 
alongside others without causing amounts of pain and hatred. That's a 
struggle in itself but that's what has been asked from me once I came 
living into this world. That's what I have to ask from myself. . . Otherwise 
it's no different than a group of dogs that just defend what's theirs and 
fight anyone who comes close, at times getting to each other's throats to 
gain more respect. There must be something more, there must be some- 
thing that makes it different. Anything. . . 




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HARD CORE MAGAZfNE 




I got their demo with a friendly note saying that if 

I love Lifetime I'll like Death Is Not Glamorous. 

As it happens I like Lifetime and DING remind me 

of them a lot as well as maybe first Saves The 

Day record. Anyway these Norwegian dudes know 

exactly what 's needed to create a perfect mixture of 

Hard Core Punk tunes that bring hope and bright up the 

darkest moments. This band has recorded some awesome 

stuff and I recommend that you check them out! If you long 

for something faster and melodic, that also gives you positive 

direction then Death Is Not Glamorous are here for you! They 

have available demo that is going to be re-mastered and released by 

State Of Mind Records. For now you can visit bands profile and 

listen to what this band is about! 

Christian (singer) was kind enough to 

answer my questions during January and 

February of this year. Thank you ! R. 



My first impression of Death Is Not Glamorous is that you seem to have very positive approach to 
life and relationships. Would that be true? Where does your PMA come from? 

Hi! Yeah, we try to stay positive in the face of adversity. Sometimes life is full of shit, and it's hard to 
keep looking up, and that's what we want to focus on in our music. It's like this: for us, a big part of hard- 
core has been the positive, "get-through-everything" attitude that is implicit in the music. "They're gonna 
try to drive you into the ground- Never surrender, never go down!" 

In this world, it can be hard to live with your head held high, especially if you aren't into all the aspects 
of society that "they" expect you to be. Shopping, getting wasted every weekend, ignoring the fucked up 
shit that goes on in other, "less developed" countries, etc. I don't know, without these songs and these 
words that inspire us, it would be doubly hard. 

So how do you face and manage hardships and difficulties in your lives? Do you rely on reaching 
out for help to others or get through it by yourselves? How important are friendships for you? 

I guess we try to deal with shit ourselves, since in the end that's how you gotta go at things. But there are 
always times when you need to rely on a friend, and then real, true friends are crucial. To have someone 
who you know understands your shit and will be there for you is incredible, and you can't downplay that. 

Can you tell me who and when started the band? What keeps Death Is Not Glamorous going? 

We started from an on-the-fly suggestion. Terje, Espen, and Christian were sitting around at some trendy 
fucking coffee bar, talking about how we wanted to start a punk/hardcore band that didn't all out suck 
(we had a band then, but everyone was on the wrong instrument except Espen). Terje said he knew a guy 
who played drums (Even from Damage Control), and that he might be interested if we told him it was an 
indie rock band, so he sent him a message saying just that and he was down. Later, we got Emanuele to 
join on bass, and that was great, because he is an awesome guy. And fruit. Fruit keeps us going. Also, I 
think that the great reception of our demo was a definite engine for us. We heard from all over that peo- 
ple were into it, and that really made us want to make more songs and keep improving. I think we've all 
found an incredibly volatile outlet for energy and expression through this band, and after just a week 
without practicing (let alone a month..), the itch to get back in that room with the guys and lose it is al- 
most unbearable! 

Living in Oslo do you often feel alone or see other people isolated form each other, despite the fact 
that it's a big capitol city? How often "the city is so cold and it's getting to your heart"? 

To me (C), Oslo is a really cold city, if you subtract the people that I'm close to here. Maybe because the 
architecture is fairly non-descript and bland, coupled with the cold weather and not nearly enough sun in 
the winter., but I also just get this cold-shoulder feeling from the place. People hunched over with their 
eyes to the ground, outside only to get from their TV to their job while making as little eye contact as 
possible. That's how I feel anyway, I think a couple of the band members feel different about the city. 
Espen is from here. The summer is a different story, though! 

Why do you think people find it easier to just get stuck on negative aspects of life and don't try to 
go forward or actually change something for better in their lives? Do you find it annoying? 



STOP LOOK ■& LISTEN # 3 



If you hate your job, 
then you've gotta quit, 
if you hate the city 
then you've gotta split. 
It's not so hard to cut 
those ties and cut- 
away. Just know: your 
friends are always be- 
hind you. Where ever 
you go, they'll always 
be there, like you were 
always there for them, 
so thank you. For 
giving me hope, and 
making me go head- 
strong, heartstrong, 
and all out. And some- 
times it's like Blake 
said (it best) when he 
wrote. "Did than no 
one ever live a life this 
hard?". 'Cause it gets 
hard, and it gets bleak, 
~md sometimes you've 
gotta go it alone. But 
see it through, brave 
the storm, and you'll 
see that, come dawn, 
your friends are all be- 
hind you." 

i Fallback" 




WINTER/SPRING 2006 



A/hen it seems like the sun 
burnt out like a light and it 
seems like nothing's worth 
it, remember this. When 
the world weighs you down 
and you're back's against 
the wall, the city's so cold 
and its gettin to your heart, 
and suddenly its hard to 
stand up tall- don't despair, 
don't say you dont care, 
'cause we both know you 
do. Don't lose hope- get 
into something fast and 
drive, and dont stop until 
you're outta there. And i 
can tell you one thing, and 
that's the sun is always 
somewhere, through all the 
concrete, and better days 
are around just around the 
bend. So don't stop, don't 
even slow down, don't de- 
spair when it seems unfair, 
'cause thats just life. The 
odds are hard and they're 
always stacked against you, 
but you've gotta fight, and 
get through the night. Win- 
dows down and go, drive 
recklessly, and at at break- 
neck speeds. Because you 
know that youre getting out 
from under these clouds. 
Get to a place where smiles 
mean something, and they 
aren't just tired eyes and 
bared teeth. Come visit me 
and i'll show you the way 
the sunset hits the streets. 
The skyline's looking bright 
and we're looking forward, 
standing up to the dusk." 

"Elephant" 




I find it frustrating. I can only speak from experience, but for me apathy is an easy trap to fall into. It's so 
fucking easy to just "survive" in the social / geographical setting a lot of us are in.. Maybe people convince 
themselves that they are content with that alone, and ignore that voice in their heads that screams for self- 
improvement and making the most out of every minute of their lives. I know 1 find myself stuck too many 
times, wasting my time on trivial shit when there are 100 more productive (1 hold back on using that word, 
because 1 don't want to be read with the same voice as the parents that won't get off your back or the school 
counselor trying to sell a lifeless career to a kid) things 1 could use my time on. Luckily, 1 have music to 
kick my ass back into gear! Set your goals. 

So what do you think of all this positive responses you received and many high praises after releasing 
your first demo on True North? Did you expect such a good feedback? 

AWESOME. We are so psyched about how many people let us know how much they liked the demo, from 
around here and all over the world. It's such a great feeling to know that our music makes people happy and 
pumped and feel alive. And it blindsided us, too. We liked it, of course, but we had no idea 
that so many other people would as well. Even's the only guy who's been 
in a "real" band before, so this is., beyond! 

Can you say something more about your plans 
of re-releasing this demo with State Of Mind? 
Are you excited to be on label that actually is 
not from Europe, but is based in the US? 

State of Mind is remastering the demo and releasing 
it as an EP. They asked us if we were interested, and 
we thought it would be cool to do, since more people 
could hear it that way. They seem like really cool 
guys and we're happy to be working with them. Hope- 
fully a few more kids will hear the demo (EP) this way 
too! 

How often do you get to play shows and what has 
been the most memorable one so far? Have you 
toured or do you have any plans to do so? 

We've started to play a lot these days, which is awesome., 
it's hard to say how often, but we usually don't get more 
than a couple practices in before the next date. I'm not sure 
what the other guys think, but the most memorial shows for 
me were our first (in Oslo with Funeral Diner and a few 

other bands at a day-long festival), and our latest in Sta- ^^^^^""~ vanger (my 

sorta-hometown- it was great because there were so many kids I knew and it was our first 

show outta Oslo., and the drive was almost better than the show!). But that two-show weekend is the only 
touring we've done so far. We are currently planning a couple mini-tours this summer, so hopefully we'll 
come to your town. We're playing at Light the Fuse Fest in Holland at the end of May, so we are making a 
week (give or take) out of that. We also really want to get to the UK, probably in conjunction with the 7" 
we're putting out with Dead And Gone, so that's gonna happen. I say bring it on, but I guess I have the least 
work delegated to me, in that Even's the guy with the tour planning experience and only him and Emanuele 
have drivers' liscenses... I just bring the pillow. 

Are there any issues that are important to you as a band, but you haven't written about yet in your 
songs? What are the things that concern/make you happy the most? 

We're all vegetarian, and even though it's almost a cliche in our hardcore niche, we take it seriously and it 
would be cool to have a song about that. T find it difficult to write political songs when so much has already 
been said in such a poignant way, so far we haven't had any of those either. But don't get us wrong, we 
have opinions and we're not in step with most of the shit going on. Racism and prejudice, corporate control, 
lying political puppets that start wars on false pretenses and then change them when they are proven wrong, 
the fact that people are still sleeping on the fucking Kyoto agreement, exclusion., the way that these days, 
inadvertently supporting an idea or establishment that you dont want to support is almost unavoidable., the 
list goes on and fucking on. We like simple things. Swimming in the ocean and stuff. Eating pineapple. 





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HARD CORE MAGAZINE 



What made you to become vegetarian? How in your view it benefits you living a vegetarian way? 

A few of the guys have been vegetarian/vegan for a long time, I don't think Even has touched the shit for 
like 13 years. I became vegetarian, then vegan (not just for crustpunx!) like 2-3 years ago after realizing 
how terrible our society treats animals (and a healthy dose of pro-vegetarian punkrock and hardcore songs 
on the way home from school every day)., and it was a lot easier and more rewarding than I had thought. 
For one thing, 1 feel like there's one count of hypocrisy weighing down my mind, in that I believe firmly 
that the way we treat animals now is wrong, and 1 can't let myself participate directly or indirectly in their 
treatment. I also feel a hell of a lot healthier being vegan than when 1 ate lots of greasy burgers and fried 
eggs., so.. I think changing your diet so drastically to accommodate a cruelty-free lifestyle gets you more 
interested in nutrition in general, the various sources of proteins, minerals, and vitamins and stuff like that. 



Mix it up with some exercise 
my body, 



and a lot of activity (and a cup of coffee) and I feel a lot more energy in 
which is awesome. Can't get enough! 

ITS (ALMOST) 2008 AND THE PEOPLE CONTINUE TO EDU- 
CATE, THEMSELVES, THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR FAMILIES, 
AND EVERY DAY WE HAVE A MORE CONSCIOUS CARING 
SOCIETY. ARE YOU WITH ME? 



Are there any records/bands that caught your attention re- 
cently? What do you think of the present condition of Hard 
Core scene? 

The hardcore scene, in Scandinavia especially, is awesome right 
now.. We have a lot of great bands out of Norway (Soulfire, 
Damage Control, Crucial Changes) and Sweden (Another Year, 
Break It Up, The Kind That Kills) doing they're thing, a lot of 
awesome zines coming out, and shows are usually well-attended 
and totally posi. 

Lately, besides the bands mentioned already, I've been listening 
to the Shook Ones, Nothing Done, Sinking Ships, Iron Boots, 
Crunch Time, Propagandhi, Fucked Up, The First Step, 
Charge- and always a lot of older bands. Texas is the Reason. 

If there was a one thing that you would like people 
to know or understand about Death Is Not 
Glamorous, what would that be and why? 

"Hardcore is not a background beat for you to move your dancing feet, it's feeling, living, 
breathing- it's the life for those who love living. It's outrage, energy, compassion- not hate, not 
violence or fashion." Crucial words. 

Thanks a lot for doing the interview! 

No problem. Thank YOU! Yo, watch out for an upcoming 7" on Dead and Gone with our name on it! 
That should be awesome! 



Oslo] IhardI [core 



DEATH IS NOT GLAMOROUS: Even Skar, Hauchs gt. 6b, 0175 Oslo, Norway 




/e've got strong 
bones and thick skin, 
encasing hearts full of 
hope. Minds to fight 
with, stronger than any 
fist. Good friends, good 
times, and wide smiles- 
we've got that PMA. 
Think you can take this 
away? Think you can 
rain on this parade? 
Think again, we'll keep 
right on marching, 
playing hard, keep 
screaming, we'll keep 
moving, we're not giv- 
ing in. We may not be 
rich, but we've got 
more than most, and 
we're more than con- 
tent with "discontent". 
Bonds, like iron chains, 
tested in fire and 
fights, they won't break 
- and we won't let 
them, we keep them 
oiled, they won't wear 
down, and you won't 
ever wear us down." 




STOP, LOOK -fcl LISTEN # 3 



WINTER/SPRING 2006 



Living to work, working to live, slowly slaving to make a buck.. 




So where do we fit with our lives? At a certain age I have been 
asked what am I going to do with my adult life and what do I see 
myself doing to earn money that would allow me to stay alive or 
even get some cheap pleasures, that would satisfy my lowest 
needs? Well, as confused as I was I chose something I was not 
interested in at all and it turned into 5 years of chaos fueled by 
ongoing frustrations. Easy to follow somebody's suggestion, afraid 
to disappoint, accepting what's been put in front of me as the best 
solution for my life. But how misguiding was it for my own self? 
Eventually I have made the decision for myself and chose some- 
thing that allowed me to be more or less happy and not hating my 
life because I hate my job. That caused grim expressions on some 
faces but well, after all it's my life and it's mine to do something 
with it. How much of your life do you feel like is actually yours? 
Do you have freedom to make a choice regarding what are you 
going to do with it? So many times we are put under pressure, 
presented with a narrow choice framed into the convenient picture 
and made to feel like we are in control, because we can pick from 
whatever it's being offered to us and hopefully we would accept, 
in order to secure that the wheels in the machine will keep spin- 
ning. 



"Who wants to live when to live is to slave? 

Breaking their backs just to see another day. 

Wlio wants to live when to live when to live is to slave? 

Killing themselves to find another way. 

Trapped in the cell of a nine to five, 

can they ever say they 're really alive? " 

Lion Of Judah "Trapped" 



We may never get on the streets to burn some cars, we may never 
scream at the top of our lungs holding a banner in our hands, we 
may think that we never care for what society does and therefore 
we are not guilty of anything... But still decisions we make as 
consumers can be the most political or influential in our day to day 
life. The system and market are screwed up enough and tangled up 
that it's almost impossible to live in this society and not to support 
greedy corporations that profit from human exploitation (well, 
which ones don't?). We can try hard, but in one way or another 
we'll keep marking our banknotes with somebody's misery caused 
by profits going into companies bank accounts. Does it mean that 
we should stop caring and just let it go? 

Well, I think it's still important that we educate ourselves and try 
to become as conscious as we can in regard to the products we 
buy. Like I said it seems like it's impossible to live completely free 
of others "slave" labor, but its worth to try to minimize it and be- 
come more aware of where our money goes to and who profits 
from our purchases. After all we are all paying and our most di- 
rect way of voicing opinion can be by supporting or avoiding cer- 
tain items. 



"What you consume is your only true protest, 
each dollar you spend supports what you detest.. 
Morning Again "Martyr" 



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Forced Forward 

Rich Miles on the lyrics that are going to appear on their debut record 

/ have asked Rich if he would like to say something more about his lyrics, especially these that are gonna 
be on their debut LP. He agreed and my role was immediately limited to mostly listening. I don 't know if 
you should consider this as "explanations " to Forced Forwards ' lyrics, I think it 's more about what emo- 
tions are behind them, what circumstances surround them and what have they enabled the band to ex- 
press. Their CD/LP will be out in March on Collapse Records and I highly recommend this material if 
you miss bands like Ressurection/Threadbare, and search for awesome lyrical content that is both per- 
sonal and socially conscious... R. 




l.Desecrator 

It's essentially an indictment of a culture that I feel is sick and on 
the verge of death due to our uncaring and selfish ways. I would go 
so far as to say that it's an indictment of me as well, but mostly 
more of a sort of assessment of a world that I see as self-destructive 
and yet completely arrogant and self-congratulatory. I would also 
say, that it is aimed at those who have been exposed to different 
ways of thinking but still don't care. Those who know wrong from 
right but still don't care and just look the other way because our 
society nurtures selfishness. High School it seems to be the epitome 
of cruelty to a young person who already doesn't fit in. So I saw 
people who are completely materialistic and fake. Do you feel less 
under "attack" today since you are older but still do not fit in? Yes. 
Well, I work in an office with a Vegan office policy. So it's kinda a 
shelter. In the same way, Hardcore/punk is a bit of a shelter. It's 
easy to forget about how fucked up the outside world is if you only 
hang out with kids and talk about how awesome the Antidote 7" is. 
I would say in general, I'm much more at ease and much more com- 
fortable with who I am now, though. But I do feel less under attack 
in general, yes. I feel that I'm more ON attack haha! 



2. End Days 



It's somewhat along the same lines. We our destroying our earth and 
our relationships with each other are deteriorating quickly. We can 
only do that for so long before the bottom falls out, you know haha? 
And I'm aware, this is something that's been happening for a LONG 
time now. And it will continue. But we don't care about each other. 
And that's a major problem. Forget the earth, I honestly feel our 
callous nature towards one another will lead to the world's downfall 
long before all the pollution from the factories and everything does. 
What feeds this callous nature in your opinion? Well, I don't know... 
I can't really track where it comes from. But I think that I live in a 
nation where our president dresses up a lie. Any rational human 
realizes that we are on another continent killing people essentially 
for material desires. For Oil, essentially. And protection of this 
resource that we all are "addicted" to. And this comes from George 
Bush's own lips. I mean, none of us are innocent. You and I love 
records. Records are made from Oil. I love travel and so do you. 
That takes oil. It's sad but we're in a culture that is addicted to it. 
Because we're accelerated in just about every manner one can be 
accelerated, adventurous souls once had to take ships across danger- 
ous seas for months at a time. Now we hop on a plane and can be 
anywhere we desire in a day. I don't know. Travel is not bad. Com- 
munication and art is NOT bad. What I'm talking about is so mini- 
mal compared to what the true oppurtunists are killing people over. 
But we as a western culture cannot stand free of blame. 



3 . Empty 



This is the much more personal end... We all are in love with con- 
nections. At least I am. I'm in love with making some sort of bond 
with any human. Whether it's on what kind of music I like, or more 
romantic connections. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with 
that. Love is amazing and should be. However, sometimes, we 
aren't in connections with our own selves. And we don't want to be. 
Perhaps, pain from our life keeps us from wanting to connect to 
deeply with your self. 

But it often dooms us to situations that ultimately leave us empty. 
Situations where we scare a person off or we put them so high up on 



a pedestal that when they don't reciprocate or show reciprocation in 
the manner that you want. It ultimately knocks you down further into 
depression. And you're ultimately left with a spot that you had saved 
for a person or an activity or a community. To Kill the pain that you 
would have to deal with if you were more in touch with yourself (MY 
SELF). So this song may seem to be an attack on a person. When in 
reality, it's an attack on myself. It's a song about addiction, in a way. 
I'm straight edge. Some people, specifically, UC stated that Straight 
Edge was "anti-obsession" and ideally, it would be. 
But we all have our vices. Whether it's food, alcohol, drugs, sex, love, 
whatever. I don't have that much of a foot up on anyone because of 
my lifestyle! It's one of the few things healthy about me, I think. And 
this song is NOT saying Love is wrong. Quite the opposite. I think it's 
one of the most important things we can do is feel. Which so many of 
us are afraid of. But, in the same sense, you can't expect others to be 
where you're at. And when they aren't, you can't hate them for their 
own issues. If anything, you should look more closely at your own 
issues. 

4. Dead Blood 

There is often times when I'm just disgusted by the lack of passion 
and the desire to play a part rather than make the music and the art a 
part of ones identity and a means to express one's self. Perhaps for 
some of these bands it IS a means to express themselves but I ques- 
tion the genuine-ness of this because portraying an aesthetic often 
seems to be much more of the objective. Once again, this is just what 
I think I see and it could be wrong. This song also deals with Straight 
Edge and how once again, it's something that's a positive step in 
one's life to cut out things that are unnecessary and oftentimes harm- 
ful but most people are far more interested in all the shit that has 
come to be known with straight edge rather than the actual actions of 
it. 

5. Hear Me 

This song is pretty self-explanatory. It deals with frustration and com- 
munication. Sometimes just wanting to be heard by one person is all- 
consuming. It's not looking for an answer, it's not criticizing my 
actions; it's simply dealing with the frustration of just wanting some- 
one to hear what you're saying and really know what you're saying. 




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Cro-Mags 
"Age Of Quarrel" 
Profile Records 
1986 

I can assume what might be going through some 
of you when looking at this page. Another one that 
brings back something that 's just a history and 
there have been more important things that hap- 
pened in the recent years. ..Maybe, but this is a 
tribute to something special to so many: Cro- 
Mags - "Age Of Quarrel" . It's even hard to de- 
scribe the influence and importance of this title in 
the Hard Core scene. I think we all realize how 
many times these three words are being men- 
tioned by various people when asked about the 
most influential Hard Core records of all times. 
You may find Minor Threat, Agnostic Front, Black 
Flag or Bad Brains, but you can be sure that Cro- 
Mags are going to be there as well and in their 
own, special way. It 's got nothing to do with any 
kind of hype, because I think you either like this 
band and what they stood for, or you just give 
yourself a break. There 's nothing wrong with this, 
and all I'm trying to say is that Cro-Mags were 
one and only paving the path for so many who 
followed in the decades to come. Just imagine 
how vicious, rebellious and innovatory these 
songs must have been in 1986 and these tracks 
keep it up until today. 

Well, I think at some point in the past years peo- 
ple had a right to be confused about the discus- 
sions that have been going on around who the 
true Cro-Mags are. I think that anyone interested 
could have answered these questions for them- 
selves, based one their own experience with this 
band and their music. For me the songs speak the 
loudest and as much as I may not be able to tell 
you who was right in these arguments, I can cer- 
tainly tell you how I feel listening to i.e. "By My- 
self and how this song helps me to get through 
the hardest moments. And that 's what these next 
few pages are about. 

I have asked a whole bunch of people to share 
their experience with this record and the impact it 
has had on them, as well as the others involved in 
their local scenes. I got only a few responses and I 
would like to thank Jason, Vic and Jasper for their 
thoughts. I'm not trying to idolize anything, but 
simply present living examples of how hugely this 
LP have impacted people's lives and is important 
to so many. This band definitely isn 'tjust a history 
since their music and message still lives on! 
If you would like to write about your own experi- 
ences with this record or band, please get in touch 
and I will be happy to print it in the next issue. 
For now, everybody, this is Cro-Mags and 'Age 
Of Quarrel" 20 years later. ..R. 




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"Cro-ilag* ®<B<&. Wtozutp gears; Hater," 

by Jason Kolins (Burden) 

I can remember back, clear as day, to when I first discovered the Cro-Mags. It was 1986, 
and I was a pimply faced metal head of thirteen years old, living in the suburbs of Van- 
couver, Canada, just starting junior high school. My favorite bands at that time, were 
Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, and Metal Church, pretty much the heaviest stuff 
that my friends and I had managed to get our grubby little hands on. Once school had 
started that fall, I met a bunch of kids that were full on into skateboarding, and instantly 
clicked with them. I bought a board, and got right into the skating sub-culture. The skat- 
ers at my school were big into music as well, and though they liked thrash and speed 
Metal, they were way more into the crossover, punk and hardcore bands, that they read 
about monthly, in the Pus-Zone articles in the back of Thrasher Magazine, that they 
quickly turned me onto. It seemed, that for skating, only the fastest bands would do, so 
everyone was always on the lookout for the newest bands. The Accused, DRI, COC, 
Suicidal Tendencies, Cryptic Slaughter, SOD, Excel, Death Sentence, Minor Threat, The 
Misfits, they were all popular bands of the time. One day, while hanging out, I was told 
about a band called the Cro-Mags from New York City. Someone had bought their first 
record, and word was spreading, that this was the best new band out there. Sure enough, 
the hype was building. Thrasher was all over this record 'The Age Of Quarrel', and even 
ran a short interview, with pictures of these crazy, mean looking, tattooed skinheads, I 
was intrigued, and had to find a copy of this record. I managed to score a dubbed cassette 
of the record from a friend, but the volume was so low, I could barely make out anything 
at all, boy was I bummed out. Months later, I was watching Much Music's Pepsi Power 
Hour, and after several videos of their staple metal bands, the host announced that 
"coming up, was a band from New York, called the Cro-Mags, with a video from their 
first album, called "We Gotta Know", I was ecstatic to say the least! As I eagerly watched 
with anticipation, the video starts, the drum stick clicks, followed by the classic 'duhn, 
duhn' ringing guitar chords, leading into what is undoubtedly, the heaviest song intro 
ever. Meanwhile, the video continues, the camera is panning the crowd, what the heck, 
where's all the long haired dudes? I've never seen anything like this before. I see a lot of 
scary punks and bald guys, clips of the bands hanging out backstage, but wait... The intro 
ends, the song explodes, the band is onstage going nuts, the crowd is a sea of flailing 
arms and legs, while bodies fly off the stage, the band goes off, and singer is jumping 
around like a maniac, man, this is nothing like the metal videos I've been watching since 
I was a kid, this is pure energy! The insanity continues, where at the videos conclusion, 
John Joseph does a full flip off the monitor at the front of the stage, into the crowd. What 
have I just seen? Needless to say, I was absolutely blown away by what I had just wit- 
nessed. In short, it was the Cro-Mags, that was the very first visualization I had of the 
hardcore scene, that really opened my eyes to, and would eventually drive me, to seek out 
and research hardcore, the music and the scene that would become my full musical pas- 
sion in life. I would soon also be turned onto some of my other favorite HC bands 
through Much Music. Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, and Sick Of It All, whose videos, also 
solidified to me that hardcore, with it's stripped down musical energy, and lyrics based 
on reality and personal convictions, definitely spoke and appealed to me miles more than 
what metal was offering me. I was getting older, and had found something new and real, 
thanks to the Cro-Mags! 

As years went on, I slowly became fully immersed in hardcore, I went straight edge at 
eighteen, started my first HC band in '92, put on shows, and more recently, helped start a 
'zine, and sang in a straight edge band called Burden, with whom I was fortunate enough 
to put out a handful of releases, and tour throughout North America and Europe. Though 
the Cro-Mags weren't a straight edge band, they have always had the biggest inspiration 
and influence. on me, more than any other. No one else even comes close. They are my 
favorite band, and 'The Age Of Quarrel', even twenty years later, is still my favorite re- 
cord ever. It is one of the few records, that still sends shivers down my spine when I hear 
it. It is truly one of a kind. Through their lyrics, I learned to believe in myself, stand up 



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for what I believe in, not put up with people's shit, what comes 
around, goes around, and to think for myself, as well as have an open 
mind, traits that quite a few people in the scene these days never 
seemed to pick up on. When MySpace, the internet site, started a 
music section for bands, tons of pages started popping up for old 
bands, mostly done by fans themselves. I was seeing pages for a lot 
of old bands, some more well known, some obscure, but it wasn't 
until 1 strangely saw a page for the California band Insted, (who 1 
happen to like), that I said enough is enough, and decided right there 
that I had to do a tribute page for the Cro-Mags. In June 2005, The 
Cro-Mags "Fan-Page Of Quarrel" was born, and nine months later, 
has almost 1500 people from all over the world as 'friends. Though 
1 500 may not be a huge number, it grows larger everyday, usually by 
twenty to thirty people. A very cool factor about the page, and it's 
friends content, is that it's not just people into hardcore, there's an 
equal amount of metalheads, punks, skinheads, and even normal 
people, mostly older, that sign up to be a friend of the Cro-Mags. 
You can read their comments and testimonials, that attest to just how 
significant and influential the Cro-Mags were, and still are in the 
world of punk, hardcore and metal. They are nothing short of legen- 
dary. With the twenty year anniversary of "The Age Of Quarrel" 
upon us, I, amongst many, many others had been hoping that the 
band members would be able to put aside their differences and do at 
least one final show, but it looks as though this won't happen. I was 
lucky to see the Cro-Mags live in '89, and in 1990, and it looks like I 
may have to hold those memories dear, along with my old videos, 
but I will always keep my fingers crossed, that I will get to see them 
at least one more time down the line. Much thanks to Robert for 
asking me to contribute this piece for his fanzine, and especially to 
the Cro-Mags, for everything over the past twenty years, and for 
giving us the best record of all time. Much respect. 

Jason Kolins XXX 

www. my space. com/CroMagsFanpage 



Cro- jlaag "gne 0i (Buarrer 

by Vic DiCara (Inside Out, 108...) 



1986 was an amazing year for Hardcore punk. First there was "I 
Against 1", then there was "Age of Quarrel". Again, the "Age of 
Quarrel" is a snapshot of the Cro-Mags at their best moment in the 
stream of time. These were some serious bad-ass motherfuckers who 
took metal into New York City Hardcore (but, balanced, not over the 
top like other bands have done it, or like it became on their forthcom- 
ing records), and who took macho, testosterone-driven music to the 
very limit that it can go to and still remain amazing, without becom- 
ing dumb. 

In fact, balancing all this metal and macho was this really weird thing 
called Hare Krishna. Yes, these guys who were living on the street 
and beating people up were also eating vegetarian food and learning 
about philosophy from the Hare Krishna temple in Brooklyn. That 
brings an element of yin, of substance and gentleness into their lyrics 
and subtle vibe. 
This record had a huge impact on my life, resulting in me becoming 



a Hare Krishna for about 10 years. The Cro-Mags were, at the time, the 
white man's Bad Brains. The Bad Brains where the undisputed kings, but 
how far could a white audience get into their Rastafarianism? Enter the 
Cro-Mags, with the white version of Rasta: Krishna (although Krishna 
himself is black, but that's another story). 

Age of Quarrel opens with the most danceable hardcore punk song ever 
written, "We Gotta Know." On this track drummer Mackie Jayson lays 
down some serious Jazz while the guitar and bass simply pound away New 
York Hardcore style creating something that got your feet taping and your 
fists punching. 

"Malfunction" took the tempo down several notches, and kept your hips 
and fists moving the whole 3 plus minutes. "I just can't get through to you, 
in spite of the ways I try, or any of the things that 1 do. Maybe I'd be better 
off talking to a wall, because you ain't making any sense at all." 
Who can forget "Hard times" with the ultra-perfect, ultra-frightening sing- 
along, "Cro-Mag! Skinhead! Breakout! Now!" 

And the philosophical "Life of My Own," pronouncing, "You come into 
this world, with nothing except your soul. You leave this world with noth- 
ing except your soul." 
Age of Quarrel is the simplest way to define New York Hardcore. 



'Crusty Wt\z Ikmomac' 

by Jasper (A Step Apart) 



Alright, once again it's one of those days. You know, when you're just sick 
of seeing all the crap people pull. I know that's all very generic and very 'oh 
I'm punk, it's me against the world'-ish but let me diverge on it a little more. 
There are certain things that bother me that I run into almost every day. I'll 
be walking around in my barrio and I'll see people making a fuss about 
things that, in my opinion, are completely irrelevant. 

Bragging about their new mode of transportation (be it a car, a scooter or 
whatever), spending time polishing their jewellery etc. So many people 
spend so much time thinking about themselves that they never stop and 
think about the rest of the world. Sometimes I just want to grab them by the 
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'DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THE 
REST OF THE WORLD?!' 

But then I realize that they most probably don't know what's going on in 
the rest of the world, even though they should. 

I mean, I'm not asking for them to find a cure for AIDS or to find a solu- 
tion that will unite all of mankind forever... because I know some things 
just can't be done. And I know that we should not have mercy on people 
that obviously have some sort of screw loose... and sometimes you just 
get the urge to take justice into your own hands so you can survive out 
there... just to see how far you can go. And when you face some really 
tough times and you're all alone it can be a real struggle so have you 
make sure that people don't walk all over you. Face it, if you want to be 
treated well you have to treat others well, even though in the end all you 
have is yourself when you enter this world... and it's all you have when 
you leave it. It's just signs of how these days are. 

It seems like most people only treat each other with respect when they 
need something from the other person, it rarely happens that someone 
actually does something for someone else without demanding something 
in return, just because they think it's the right thing to do. Today's 
'society' only supports this kind of behavior by accepting it as normal 
human behavior, by saying that these things are not 'sins', by saying it's 
a part of human nature and by saying that these things should be al- 
lowed. Some things should NOT be allowed. And I'll be walking down 
the street, thinking about all that stuff... and then I'll realize that nothing 
in this world is certain. Everything is just temporary, material things, 
love and hate, life and death... nothing in this world is certain... 

EXCEPT THE FACT THAT THE CRO-MAGS WILL ALWAYS BE 
THE HARDEST FUCKING BAND EVER. 

Admit it, how can you deny that the Cro-Mags wrote the perfect sound- 
track to this crazy era? Society just keeps sinking deeper and deeper in a 
seemingly bottomless pit because people attach more and more value to 
things like money and power and, even worse, because this sort of be- 
havior is seen as 'normal'. I can accept the fact that some people that are 
into hardcore have some troubles with the Cro-Mags post-AOQ but I 
seriously can not understand that there are people who claim that they 
love hardcore but think that Age of Quarrel sucks. 
The We Gotta Know intro is one of the best intro's in hardcore history, 
it's just genius in its simplicity... It's tough as nails yet there is an under- 
lying groove that adds a little extra atmosphere*analyse van AOQ* Of 
course, Age of Quarrel is a masterpiece from beginning to end but there 
are a few songs that have always affected me more than others. Some- 
how It's the Limit always gets my adrenaline flowing like crazy and I 
get really nervous when I hear that song. I just imagine John Joseph 
singing that song on stage and just going completely nuts and I just get 
this feeling that starts in my brain and slowly spreads to my entire body 
and somehow all my vital bodily functions are transformed into one 
single thought: 'MOSH MOTHERFUCKER!'. 



Sometimes I'll even get flashbacks to No Denial shows where they 
covered It's the Limit and where Big would just lose it whilst shouting 
I DON'T WANNA SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Holy diver, just typ- 
ing this and thinking about that song is getting me all worked up. This 
one time, I was listening to the Cro-Mags in my car while waiting for a 
traffic light to switch to green and It's the Limit was playing... when 
the light had switched to green I couldn't pull up because my engine 
had shut itself off because I had just been going off inside my car. 
Another time I had to go to the hospital to have my arm checked be- 
cause I had almost broken my own arm losing it to that song. 
Even when it's not 'your thing' you'll have to see the genius of this 
band and the later albums (unless you want to keep complaining about 
all the fights within this band - fights that, in my opinion, have only 
contributed to the myth of this band). Age of Quarrel is the manifest 
for a bad that is not just band, but a band that has gone beyond the 
borders of being a band and has transformed into something mythical 
that is almost religious to some people (including me). By dismissing 
the later albums as 'shitty metal' the essence of the lyrics of those later 
albums is completely lost. The lyrics on Age of Quarrel mostly deal 
with how hard life on these streets was (and face it, the Cro-Mags are 
one of the few bands that get away with it because those guys actually 
did live on the streets) but you can find a hint in the lyrical direction of 
things to come in songs like 'Seekers of the Truth'. 
The second album also starts with a majestic drum intro. Sadly by this 
time Mackie has left the band but Pete Hines does a pretty good job 
kicking you right in the face with his drumming. Best Wishes also 
makes it clear that this band has more to them than catchy songs and 
tough lyrics because here the band also sings about a subject like vege- 
tarianism. Once more their views concerning society are expressed but 
in a different way than before, the lyrics are not just about the struggle 
to survive on the streets but they deal with people's motivations for 
their actions and how you can give a positive impulse to your own life. 
If Harley sang like the way he sings on Revenge then this would have 
been without a doubt my favorite Cro-Mags album, even though I 
prefer John Joseph's vocals. A lot of people that are into Age of Quar- 
rel also dig Best Wishes but most people leave it at that... and that's 
where they're really missing out on something. 

Musically, Alpha Omega is definitely the Cro-Mags' masterpiece with 
amazing songs like Changes, The Other Side of Madness and the eight 
minute long epic Apocalypse Now (the live version on Hard Times in 
an Age of Quarrel is even better... APOCALYPSE NOW MOTHER- 
FUCKER!. JJ and Harley both have vocal duties on this album which 
makes it extra interesting. The lyrics are mostly a continuation of those 
on Best Wishes but they also show some introspective on the minds of 
both of these intriguing front men. 

Near Death Experience is a pretty big letdown for a lot of kids because 
they think it's 'just a boring hardrock album'. The same people proba- 
bly think Danzig sucks compared to the Misfits. What the hell do they 
know anyway? I think every single on of these records is pure genius 
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NDE, possibly because the production is shitty compared to BW and AOQ. 
I had to get used to the punky songs on Revenge but not because they're bad... 
it's just because the White Devil songs on that album are so much better! 
Harley's vocals sound better than ever and Rocky George plays some pretty 
amazing solos. It's a good record, but it's still a step down from Near Death 
Experience. 

About Harley and JJ... I've seen them both as frontmen and although I've 
probably seen the Mags with JJ a lot later than some of the crucial geriatrics that 
doesn't affect the fact that he was simply the best frontman that I have ever seen 
in any band whatsoever. Harley is a great frontman and has definitely got a 
great voice but JJ has something that Harley lacks and that is Charisma. Yes, I 
write it with a capital C because he's got truckloads of it. Harley is fucking in- 
sane and it's great to see him go wild on stage... but John Joseph doesn't even 
need that. He's got motherfucking Charisma. Charisma that will not only make 
you respect him but that will make you want to kneel down and pay respect to 
him. 

There isn't a single band that I listen to as often as the Cro-Mags (although In- 
tegrity, Danzig and Black Sabbath come close) and no matter how often I hear 
their music it never bores me. Even when I feel completely beat and tired, fuck 
it, the Cro-Mags always bring me up again. It's hard to describe what it feels 
like to truly LOVE a band, love the music etc. so I'm not even going to try. The 
only thing I know is that there is nothing in this world that can give me the same 
feeling as this band's music. Call it pathetic, call it exaggarating, call it posing, I 
don't give a fuck because I believe that it is a privilege that something simple 
like the music of a band can give me this amazing feeling. 
As for the best album by the Mags... It's difficult to say. AOQ, B W and AO are 
almost too different to be able to truly compare them to each other but I have to 
admit that I listen to BW and AO more often than I listen to AOQ... but that 
might just be because I've already heard AOQ about 10000 times. I'm not really 
sure. It's difficult to explain but sometimes I just have a craving for those 
hardrock grooves that the later songs have. But hey, if I had to make a tape for a 
deserted island side A would contain Age of Quarrel and side B would probably 
have Danzig's Lucifuge on it. It all depends on my mood I guess and that's the 
beauty of the Cro-Mags, they've got something for every mood. 
I hope 2006 will be the year where it becomes clear that people that claim they 
love hardcore but don't like the Cro-Mags should not have a place in this scene. 
It think it's for the best if we take the first step by saying 'You're into hardcore 
but you don't like the Cro-Mags? That's not possible'. Jasper 




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By Myself 

"Fightin it's such a struggle and 
I got so far, Got so far to go 
Don't want to except no answers 
But I ain't got nothing, 
Got nothing to show, It's such a struggle 
but I gotta do it by myself 
Can't except no logic so 
I gotta do it by myself 
Such a lonely path but I can't turn my back 
Can't turn my back right now 
See I got a role to play 
And I gotta fill it, gotta fill it somehow 
I set myself on this path and now 
Now it's just too late I'd put it all aside 
but you see this madness just won't wait 
Talk nice things but I see I'm really 
I'm really overflowing with hate 
I'm talkin, I'm talkin but 
I never seem to motivate 
The answers you say they're outta reach 
But first you gotta learn 
and then only can you teach 
You say I'm insecure but 
ain't you scared of death, 
Cause everyone's grabbing, 
"Signs of the times, holding for their 

They're all around us final breath." 

No one will look you in the eye 
you don't know who to trust 
I'm lookin around me and 
don't like what i see corruption all around me 
Cause these, these are the signs of the times 
Seems like they're losing their minds 
These are the signs of the times 
Do you think that we're really progressin 
just seems to me like some steady regression 
I'm lookin on and watchin it corrode 
Gotta hold back or i'm gonna explode 
Take a look at where we're going 
I'm seeing the signs and what they're showing 
I'm totally in disbelief of modern man 
and all his grief 

These are the signs of the times" 
Signs Of The Times 



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P 11 1 N T E 1) 
W O R 1). 



At Both Ends #7 -88 pages/ A4-ish 

(Modern Life Is War, Paint It Black, Shellac, Bane, Regulations, This Is 
Hell...) 

This issue seems to be less packed with ads, or they are just placed in a 
different way. Anyways it's good as always and 1 was looking forward to 
the interview with Modern Life Is War which came out interesting. For 
me one of the best things in this issue is "Issues beyond Hard Core" 
which presents different problems and causes in the outside world that 
are worth getting to know. It's a shame really that, like the author wrote, 
the response to this poll was kind of small. Still, it's a cool idea. Besides 
that you will find usual reviews, interesting columns, some more vegan 
recipes (this time for your breakfast meals!), Bane tour photo story and 



A Step Apart...) 



lots of other stuff. And thanks for the reviews of both issues of SL&L. 
promise not to bother the editors anymore haha. 
www. atbothendsmagazine. com 

Courage To Care # 6 - 40 pages/ A4 
(LOJ, Shook Ones, Grave Mistake Records, Braindead. 
This is my reason to shame as probably this zine is 
one of the most important things going on in the UK 
scene and I have missed all 5 previous issues. And 
this is such a good read! In this issue you can find 
interviews with many good bands as well as a very 
thorough UK scene report (there is a lot going on in 
this country!), a column on putting out a record and 
tons of reviews of music and zines. Again thanks for 
the SL&L review. That really made my week! Cour- 
age To Care is cutn'paste and you can see that the 
editors know what they are doing with their scissors. 
Wherever you are from it is definitely worth check- 
ing out! 
www. couragetocare. co. uk 



You can call me a hypocrite. If asked I'd tell you how much 
I'm in support of the printed zines, but so 
far I have not really supported any of the zines that come 
out nowadays. Well, I decided to change 
it and I thought that the least I can do right now is to review 
all the zines I got recently. I hope you will find something 
for yourself or message me and let me know of some other 
Hard Core zines that are out there, but I may not know 
about. I'm sure there 's lots of going on among the zine mak- 
ers and I'm always keen on checking new titles. 

R. 

the interviews. If you wanna find out about Scottish HC/Punk scene do 
not hesitate and find ENZK! 
www. angelfire. com/wi/enzk 
enzkfanzine@hotmil. com 

Get With The Program # 1 - 28 pages/A5 

(Break A Sweat, By The Kids Records, Ceremony, Have Heart, Set your 

Goals, When Tigers Fight) 

I was looking forward to reading this zine as it has the interview with 

When Tigers Fight and since I had never read anything by them I was 

curious. It is pretty cool, although a bit short but it lets you find out all 

the necessary things about WTF and why they are around. Apart from the 

interview there is a survey on Straight Edge within today's HC scene 

which came out great. I'm glad that Stevie tries to present something 

more then just the regular music stuff. 

www. my space, com/getwiththeprogram 

One Kind Word # 1 48 pages/ A4 

(+ compilation EP) 



WAKE UP 
AND LIVE 



ISSUE #6 

WINTER 2005 INSTED 

A STEP APART 
BETRAYED 
I OBJECT 
SOULFIRE 



Define The Meaning # 1 36 pages/ A4-ish 
(Rise Against, With Honor, Comeback Kid, Folly, 
Triple Threat, Soulfire, writings, reviews...) 
The name alone is really cool and I was hoping that 
the content will be going along the same lines, pro- 
posing something interesting! And when it arrived in 
mail I wasn't disappointed, although I was expecting 
more writings etc. But there are good interviews, and 
I especially enjoyed reading about Triple Threat and 
Soulfire. I like also reviews from shows that I wish so much I was print- 
ing in this zine. I have always loved them and it's cool to see someone 
doing it again. I didn't get though the way "Fashion-Core" column is 
written, but whatever, I can kind of see the point. The most important 
thing is that this zine has a character and reasons for staring it are very 
sincere and reveal a true passion for Hard Core. That's always a high 
score in my book. Really worth checking and I hope that it's not gonna 
finish on this issue and Define The Meaning will be developing! 
No contact provided, but I'm pretty sure they are on MySpace. 

ENZK # 10 - 26 pages/ A4 (plus compilation CD) 

(Allegro, I Stand Alone, Engage, Downslide, Reaching Forward, The 

Fight Back...) 

Fuck, the 10th issue! I hope to be able to achieve something like this one 

day. ENZK is dedicated to the Scottish HC/Punk scene and presents 

mostly bands from the North. They have a lot going on, that's for sure! 

There is a CD that goes with this issue entitled "This Is Scotland and Not 

LA" that can give you an idea what the interviewed (and many others) 

bands sound like. It'd be more awesome to read more columns written by 

local kids. The zine is cool anyway and you can find out a whole lot form 



(Damage Control, The Defense, Force Of 
Change, The Legacy, The Change, Cinder...) 
This is the first issue of the zine that's coming 
out of Barcelona. Even though they present 
bands from all over Europe One Kind Word as 
well loyally supports the local scene. It is a very 
enjoyable reading and one thing that's character- 
istic for me of One Kind Word are questions in 
the interviews that are often long and present 
editors own views before you can actually read 
band's answers. This is a very cool approach 
and can be really interesting. Apart form the 
interviews with above bands there is a column 
by Erik Anarchy (dude!), Cinder US tour report, 
Barcelona scene reviews and lots of photos. The 
bands that are inside are also appearing on the 
7inch that comes with the zine so if you don't 
know someone you can easily get an idea what 
do they sound like. Keep it up! 
www. barcelonahardcore. com 



Plonk Zine # 1 - 12 pages/ A4 

Art zine with 12 pages of drawings done by a 
dude with a signature saying "Talk Seek". From that I know he's already 
done some art work for a hew HC bands and they all look pretty sweet. 
His stuff is black and white and mixes a few different styles. If you are 
looking for someone with good skills to do covers/logos and likes for 
your project then get in touch at: 
talkseek@yahoo. com 

Re/Fuse # 4 - 32 pages/ A3 

(Ian MacKaye, Soft Pink Truth, Shikari, The Je Ne Sais Quoi, The Na- 
tional Anthems...) 

The content of this zine is awesome as always and I love the layout. I'm 
getting used to the size of Re/Fuse as I have not been really convinced to 
A3 format haha! But anyway this zine/paper absolutely rules and I think 
it's one of the best European things published right now. This issue fea- 
tures interviews (Ian MacKaye!) as well as lots of good columns that 
discuss different topics. Form politics to music, something inspirational 
for everybody. Lots to read, lots to think about-that's what makes an 
excellent zine in my world and Re/Fuse is definitely one of them. 
www. refusefanzine. com 




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Rise Above # 1 - 28 pages/ A5-ish 
(Blacklisted, Iron Age, Iron Boots, Lion Of Judah) 
Funny thing, when I first time saw the cover for this zine I thought it'd 
be a bigger size but it came out half smaller and still looks great. Two 
photos of kids stage diving and going nuts during the Underdog show 
at Posi Fest'05. The zine has interviews with Iron Age and Iron Boots, 
bands that are talked about in the scene a lot, but I hadn't had a chance 
to read anything with them before so it was a good opportunity. Be- 
sides there are Blacklisted and LOJ as well as Gorilla Biscuits reunion 
pictorial and bunch of very well written musical reviews (that's the 
skill I'm lacking and keep on practicing :-). Very cool debut and I 
hope to read in the next issue some columns by Nick! 
riseabovefanzine@gmail. com 

Sailin' On # 2 - 48 pages/A4 

(Turn The Screw, New Morality, The Miracle, Rise Above, Champion, 
Slapshot, Betray) 

Wow! I've been missing out on a good zine. It's the second issue and I 
can't compare it to the first one since I have missed out on it, but this 
is really cool. Well, it covers mostly European HC scene, which is 
always good and you can read interviews with some new bands. 1 
really like the idea of researching for the interviews with i.e. Betray 
and tracking all the members down to interview them. It came out 
interesting and has lots of stories! There are a few profiles of European 
record labels as well. Anyway, pick it up! I would really like to read 
some stuff by Nico who does the zine. That would be a great addition. 
Still, a very good thing! 
www.sailin-on. com 

Things We Say #2—32 pages/ A4 

(+ a tape with TFS, Triple Threat..) 

(Damage Control, Fired Up, LOJ, Triple Threat...) 

Once again I have not seen the first issue but I must admit that Things 

We Say looks really good. Layout is done on a computer, but there are 

lots of ideas so it's not boring or too "clean". The interviews are good, 

and especially it was very cool to read something from Fired Up. Apart 

from this there are pages with pictures of older or classic bands. There 



is also a youth crew report that is based on a famous NY crew picture. 
Zine that's definitely worth of your time and interest. 
www. thingswesay. de 

Voice Of A Generation #1-28 pages/ A4 (+ Birds Of A Feather EP) 
(The Defense, Birds Of A Feather, columns, reviews, photos...) 
1 don't think this needs any introduction. If you have not heard of this 
zine yet, please check the interview with Peter form Crucial Response 
Records. The editors not only have been involved in the scene for a 
long time, but they are still around and try to promote what matters to 
them the most in Hard Core. You can read about it in their columns 
that are interesting and should give everyone an idea what this zine is 
about, their reviews also clearly state what they like and what they 
don't People involved in Voice Of A Generation zine as well as Birds 
Of A Feather are over 30 years old, still Edge and caring about this 
community. "The hardcore scene nowadays is more concerned with 
records and band shirts than a message. It 's hard to break a circle. 
But if enough people start to think again I'm sure we can make a 
change. " Highly recommended, no doubt about it! 
www. crucialresponse. de 

Wake Up And Live #6-36 pages/A4 

(Insted, A Step Apart, Betrayed, I Object, Soulfire, reviews, tour re- 
port, columns...) 

Holy shit! The layout totally killed me. Cutn'paste style but I think lots 
of thought and time went into it, as everything is arranged perfectly. 
I'm really impressed! The content is awesome having good interviews 
as well as interesting columns that will give you some stuff to think 
about. I like the fact that this zine keeps it diverse. 1 just can't believe 
again, I have missed all the past issues of Wake Up And Live and am 
just catching up now. Well time to really Wake Up haha! This is a zine 
to get to know and to support with all your heart as Diogo supports 
your scene with all his heart and I was sorry to read that next issue 
might be the last one. Crucial zine that definitely makes a difference. 
narcisos@gmail. com 
Diogo Narciso, Urb Qta Pinheiro, LT 13 
8005-267 Faro, Portugal 




Voice Of A Generation 

A Crucial Zine For Crucial Times 




Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. 

Comes With BIRDS OF A FEATHER 5 SOlig 7 

Hardhitting straight edge hardcore !!! 
Out in October, for more info go to: 
www.crucialresponse.com/VOAG/intro.php 

XBRUDIIIIX 

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demo in the last issue, hut decided 10 do on interview with tin-in to find oat more about who and why does litis h it id. I'm glad tliat . Ufirmotion is here. Dave was kind enough 
to write buck to me. and him and Gaz answered my questions, ti all happened via entail during the first two months of this year. Thanks '. R. 

affirmation 



-aditionally... Could 1 
nit made you start Affir- 
ivolved and how much i 

this band important Tor you as a way to 

express yourselves? 

Dave: Ok, well Affirmation formed offi- 
cial!} ai ilic end o!"20U.i. b\ niysolf (Daie). 
Gaz and Dex. '['he 3 of us had previousl) 
been involved in bands together during die 
mid to late 90's, and after a year or so break 
decided to have a go at doing wmething 
new. We unite and recorded a bunch of 
songs (which ended up on the Demo) and 
then hunted around for a permanent Bass 
player. Luke joined shortly after wc put the 

1 think as far as expressing ourselves, doing 
i ho band moans we can write and play 
which is important to us- traditional, last. 
c hardcore influenced by such bands 

as I liming I'oinl. (.'bain. Insied etc. and also 
Ga/ gets to write lyrics to get whatever shit 



he likes off his chest. Also s< 

I've had a shitty da> or something hs great 

ho able to go to a show or even practice and 

ist play and forget about other stuff that may 

happening in general day to day life . 

heard that you don't get to play that many 
shows due to other responsibilities you have, so 
arc you happy in general with the way band 
works? Do yuu feel satisfied with the things you 
have achieved so far? 

Dave: So far in the bands e\isience. we haven't 
played out as much as we would have probably 
liked, to date we've played 
less than 20 shows. We didn't 
actually start playing out until 
late '04 anyway because of 
not having a full line till that 
lime. Then due to several 
2005 turned out to be 
a busy year for some of us 
away from the band as well. 
So apart from playing out a 
little more often, I'm happy 
with how things have gone to 
dale, writing songs and doing 
the CD with courage to care. 
Also adding Luke to the band 
has been good, since he's 
younger than the re; 

ences and ideas tu bring along, (although we have 
tried our best to brainwash him with mix tapes and 
such ha ha!!!) 

How did you get to work with Courage To Care? 
Do they have qualities you would be looking for 
if choosing label to release your stuff on? 

Dave: We had got a recording session planned, 
originally we were going to try and do 3 songs tor a 
split 7" and a couple more if time allowed, however 
materialized and we managed to record 6 
songs. Pete and Katie had come down to help with 
back-ups on the recording and they expressed an 
leasing a CD after hearing the songs. 



Wc already knew the guys a little from shows and I 
was impressed with the job they had done previ- 
ously with their zinc and everything. We are happy 
fo be on the label and with the job they have done 
with putting out the CD. 

What wuuld yuu say was the biggest change in 
your life that you made yourself based on the 
i choice? And why? 



Dave: For myself! would sa\ becoming vegetarian 
1998. At first 1 wasn't sure if it was for me and 
thought I'd give it a try, I had been thinking a 
about the lyrics to the song "Feel their pain' by 



"chipping away at the foundations of what 

we'd iuilt and thrown away so easily with 

all our time it's not as though as we can 

truly say that we tried, another chance to 

turn your hack walk away and hide what 

has been denied lost through tine just 

empty words and lies this pain inside words 

can not express this pain inside times we 

spent i know i'll never forget still filled 

with regret can't stop this pain inside" 



How would you describe love/hate, happi- 
ness/sadness based on your own experiences? Do 
you struggle a tot with these mixed emotions and 
reelings? 

Gaz: I took a lot of emotion from the fact my par- 
ents got divorced, it was an unhappy time so I put a 
lot of that into the songs. It was a way to get all the 
feelings out it made it easier to deal with instead of 
just getting angry about it. 1 think we deal with 
these feelings and emotions everyday of your life it 
just depends how you deal with things writing this 
stuff down made it easier for me. 

What arc your future plans and goals? Are you 
considering writing the follow up to "Never for- 



Do you have courage to care'.' Well, a couple 
of people from north of England have, and they 
express it with records tliev release as well as 
printing a fanzine and running a distro. I think 
next to Dead & Gone, Courage To Care is the 
strongest and most consistent record label from 
that region. So far they have re/eased 5 records 
and 6 issues of their Jan zine that s being 
printed under the same name, fete, who does 
CTC together with Katie, was involved in the 
hand 50 On Red and after their last year 's 
break up he is fronting Downfall, who are fust 
about to release their demo as this is being 
typed up! 

There is online CTC store where you can get 
their releases as well as lots of other Hard 
Core records and . 



WHAT HOPE 
REMAINS 

"S/T" 



Affirmation "What Happens Now" 



o has different inllu- 



Insled so I went out and 
food and cookbooks etc 
I'm glad I stuck with it. 

"1 struggle with t 



veggie products, 
3 years later and 



i caught out 
e of trust" that's very honest of 
you to admit. Do you often find yourselves 
caught up in this situation? 

Gaz: Quiet a few of the demo lyric; 
when I first got introduced into hardcore. Having 
so many friends that believed the same things, and 
then as lime went on people moved away. Being 
quite a trusting person it hurl and I wrote this Stuff 
down not just about whai Iriends had done but also 
about my own shortcomings. 



Dave: Future plans would be to play out as much 

rial and see what happens from there. 

So maybe to finish with could you tell me how 
did you come up with the name Affirmation? 
Does it have any special meaning for you? 

Gaz: We messed around w illi ideas for names for 
awhile nothing stuck, I think 1 came across it in a 
book liked ihe name suggested to the rest of the 
guys and there you have it. There's no special 

meaning as such il just seemed to work. 

Thanks a lot for your time and doing this inter- 
view! Do you wish to add something more? 



Dave: Thanks for ihe interview, thanks lo Pete and 
Kalie for the work they ha\c done with courage to 
care and Affirmation, check out our CD and get in 





FACE DEFEAT 

"S/T" 



TURN COLD 

"S/T" 



"I feel like I have 

said this a million 

times before, but I'll 

say it again. Start a 

band or do a zine, 

take some photos at 

shows, do some 

artwork, book a 

show, help out in 

some way because I 

don't believe that there 

are people out there 

incapable of doing a 

least on of those 

things. " 

Katiexxx 
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THE MUSIC! THE MESSAGE? 



XXX 

The music and the message - old, used, abused and at times underappre- 
ciated words. Years back, my friend had this saying that "Hard Core is 
like a phone and it's purpose is communication with others. Therefore 
just like you would not want to waste time talking about a phone and 
i.e. what color it has, but try to communicate something with another 
person when making a phone call, you should not be wasting time talk- 
ing about how cool Hard Core is, but try to get some kind of more im- 
portant message across." I can't help thinking how accurate this com- 
parison is and most of the times I have tried to focus on communicating 
different emotions and opinions rather than limiting it to the lame de- 
scriptions of what my Hard Core is and how it may be better than yours. 
I think that this is a place with such a huge potential, but it feels like 
many times we choose to talk about how cool this "phone" is rather 
than what we can spread around by using it, how it can help us to chal- 
lenge, express and develop ourselves. 

I can't help also thinking how the place of lyrics in today's scene has 
changed. I don't know if it's for better or worse, but I feel like the lyrics 
could not even exist anymore and nobody would even notice. It does 
not really feel like we care anymore for what the band has to say, bands 
don't really care to say anything that would get them out of the safe 
boundaries of "Fuck you, you fucking fuck!". Yes, it does express 
something, but my feeling is that it became a cheap and easy to use 
cliche, that most of the time is not even sincere. It's just the safest way 
for the band to start today and be accepted or though of as cool. Also, I 
have found myself visiting sites where I could find links to the bands 
merchandise store or read about their sponsors, but hardly ever there 
was anything about their message, not even mentioning section with 
lyrics. Well, how many times have you seen lyrics on the site?... 
I recall middle 90s where a number of bands would get heavily criti- 
cized for having lyrics expressing some aggressive attitudes regarding 
animal exploitation or environmental issues. Today Hard Core band can 
openly sing that they wish someone to be beaten up, hurt or even dead 



just because they got in their way with some personal stuff or stepped 
on their toes. Nobody even says a word that this is violent or promotes 
aggression. As long as it is not challenging in any way or it's not mak- 
ing anybody uncomfortable with their own lives - it's alright. 
Yes, Hard Core is angry and may become aggressive. I understand that 
and for most part can relate to it. One of the first zines I read had an 
interview where I read that if you are in Hard Core then you are angry 
and if you say otherwise you are a liar. Maybe your father was beating 
you up or your mother left you, but something had happened that made 
you feel this way and Hard Core most likely helps you to get it out. And 
that couldn't be truer. There are lots of reasons for being angry, and for 
me Hard Core is the best way to express it. But I have never felt left 
alone with this feeling. There were always words of encouragement and 
support to deal with these emotions. Bands lyrics have been like a one 
ongoing expression and sharing about life that would be opening my 
eyes to many new things, challenging some old ways that I was taught 
and supporting me in choices that I was about to make. 
Of course the purpose of these words is not to dictate anybody what 
they should write about. It's such a huge place for anybody to feel free 
to express anything they wish. There is ton of great stuff going on any- 
ways and you can find lots of inspiring records. Sometimes it just feels 
like there is not much of a challenge or actual care for anything but our 
own well-being and smashing faces of those that dare to question our 
self-righteousness. People try so hard to bring back the spirit of Old 
School, but sometimes I feel like we bring back only what's convenient 
for us. Hoods, crews, fights and pride are more than welcome. Human 
honesty, facing own faults, progressing in our lives and struggle for a 
better world sound too dangerous. It's not about what's right and what's 
wrong or just plain complaining about something, it's about the poten- 
tial that's out there and what more can be offered. I think it's worth to 
make an effort...,/? 
XXX 



"stick to the boundaries, made it too safe, deny my freedom, destroys the meaning. 

keep parroting the part line, your empty slogans will never change a thing. 

how can I kill what was never alive? the last days of titanic." The Judas Factor 




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BEYOND 

■/// 

All pictures on this page courtesy of awesome 

Robbie Redcheeks and they were taken during 

Beyond's reunion show in 

Washington DC / January 2006. 




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/ have never agreed with this opinion that if you sound 

metal you can 't be Hard Core. Sunrise 

for me are more Hard Core than one could 

imagine. They have been playing for over a 

decade, and remain faithful and 

supportive to their roots, even though the 

sound changes. They have firmly established 

foundation, but are open to 

listen to others and talk 

about what 's important 

to them. They are 

committed and try to 

live by their words. They have been here 

for a long time spreading their message 

of taking your life back and living 

in a more caring way. Sunrise is 

important and I 'm glad to have 

them in this issue. Unfortunately 

the band decided to call it quits. 

This is a very sad news for lots 

of kids that grew up listening to 

their music. I have interviewed 

Pat, who sings for the band and is one 

of the founding members. Read on! R. 




1994—2006 



"...we got our records done, we played 

shows and tours and got our thing, we 

communicated with people and all in all ~ 

we could do something we loved." 



I remember interviewing you almost 10 years ago now, when Sunrise was getting ready 
to record the first demo tape. I have respected you a lot for being around and sticking to 
your guns, even though the band went through many changes. Recently you have an- 
nounced that you are going to end things and finish playing as Sunrise. What would you 
say were the most significant and memorable moments in band's history? 

Meeting people and finding out we are not in this alone. Doing something real and what's 
really ours. Doing things together. Learning through travelling and learning ourselves better. 1 
was always surrounded by people who totally didn't have a clue what I was all about and who 
mainly didn't care bout anything and finally I found my environment where 1 could feel com- 
fortable with. As time went by and more people got to know Sunrise more people started to 
come to our shows, mosh, dive and sing along. This is really unforgettable experience. People 
sang along cuz they shared the meaning behind the lyrics. People had fun hence they stage 
dove. We got some shitty shows, but most of them were really good feedback- wise and I will 
always remember all of us sweating and screaming our hearts out. We were also lucky enough 
to hear some words of support and appreciation, either directly from people or via mail. It was 
truly amazing. Being part of the community like hardcore scene was pretty much exciting 
itself. Being part of the network and working together, you know, playing shows, being inter- 
viewed, reviewed and so on. Soon after we started with Sunrise 1 started to work and live on 
my own and when most of my peers got old, jaded and tired way too early, 1 still felt like 
teenager. Actually I still do. I remember me and our original bassist being weirdoes in high 
school, you know - "these dudes neither drink nor eat meat blah blah blah" but we simply 
didn't care. When most of my so called colleagues were focused on their careers and trying to 
fit in into their surroundings I have been strengthening my bonds with my friends and was 
busy with doing my band. All of us worked and we had to face a lot of shit every day but we 
got our records done, we played shows and tours and got our thing, we communicated with 
people and all in all - we could do something we loved. 



I guess the main question right now what are the 
reasons behind your decision about splitting up? 
What are you going to miss the most about Sun- 
rise? Do you think your lives will change a big 
deal since you dedicated so much time to this 
band? 

Well, I don't think my life has changed really since 
Sunrise called it quits. It occupied every day of my 
life but was part of other things I am associated 
with, so I don't feel like I would miss something 
really. Not playing in Sunrise doesn't mean 1 won't 
see these people I have been seeing for ages every 
once in a while. The band is over, as we didn't want 
to carry it on. It was good moment definitely to 
called it a day, as we were really at our peak and I 
am afraid we couldn't go any further due to some of 
ours lives decisions and getting burned out of the 
others. The band is what it is - a band, which means 
common effort of group of people and when some 
of them are psyched and the other unmotivated it is 
never going to work out in a long run. And it was 
what happened to Sunrise lately. Since we were 
back from the tour it slowed down and soon it 
would fade away I guess, so it was much better and 
painful to end it up before it would make us puke, 
keeping the good memories. In my case, it worked 
pretty well, I am happy with things we've done and 
it felt good that Sunrise is gone. There were mo- 
ments in the past that when we would split up 
would probably didn't know what to do with my- 
self, I was so much attached to the band and so 
identified with it I couldn't stand the void. But as 
said, it was a perfect time and instead of grief I feel 
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Well, that' 
the way I started' 

to see people live their lives. It was 
when I started living on my own. When 
you move out of your parent's place and 
disconnect from their pockets you see things in 
a bit different way than when you were careless high 
school kid with his only concern about going to a 
show or getting this cool fanzine you've been al- 
ready waiting for over the week. This is when most 
of the people change their lives totally, turn them 
upside down. When I started to work and pay the 
bills and let 9 hours of my life be stolen from Mon- 
day to Friday I wasn't like "wow, this is the shit! 
didn't feel like switchin my brain off and forget all 
these lyrics I knew by heart and vows I made to my- 
self subconsciously. There are certain things I simply 
despise and 1 don't want to turn my life into a night- 
mare. I needed money to support myself but never 
ever for a single moment of my life I felt close to the 
world of "them". The more I had to do with so called 
'adult life' I felt I didn't belong to this world. And I 
don't mean being a kid in a way that you are irre- 
sponsible and would like your mum to cook your 
soup. It was the way that made people change so fast 
made me terrified. Once bright and positive people 
were turning into zombies who openly said they 
hated their lives but on the other hand they felt it was 
the only way it could be. It was this book "Ishmael" I 
read back then, well, we all read this book like crazy 
and gave to everybody on their birthdays, I was like 
"read this book and you would never be the same". I 
liked the idea of Quinn there: most people feel that 
something is wrong with this world, that they're 
being deceived, fucked big time but they don't have 
the proof really... Everybody assures them, that's the 
way it is, wake up, go to work, have a fast food 
lunch, work hard, back home, eat dinner, watch TV, 
go to sleep, work as hard so you could save some 
money and once a year go for a vacation to recharge 
your batteries to work harder once you are back. Is 
this a joke or what? Am I supposed to like it? This is 
like sleepwalking, you can walk but for what? You 
walk but you don't even know where you are head- 
ing to. Waking up is mostly painful and traumatic 
when you realize that you wasted few years of your 
life but I guess it's better late than never. I can't 
remember how many times I heard people complain- 
ing about this or that but when you ask they why are 
they do so they would be like "Becase I have to do it, 
everybody does". It only fuels my anger and discon- 
tent to this world and my will to live the life I want 
to live. 

We started this band to bridge with people who feel 
the same to make them feel there're more freaks like 
them out there and to wake the others up. 
Some people are so much suppressed 



they don't have guts to change their lives for the better. Who is not afraid of rejection. This 
world is a popularity contest and everyday is getting points so it is really hard to let go the 
status you already gained. Crazy, isn't it? 

On your last release you have quoted Gandhi saying "You must be the change you wish 
to see in the world"... What kind of change would you like to see happening in the 
world and how does it manifest in your own lives? 

People got separated and are like isles, drifting around each other. I think that's the main 
problem of this world and the main reason why we have so much violence, be it everyday 
street violence or worldwide wars. We are disconnected from each other and from anything 
else, we are not against anything really as we don't care. And we don't care because we don't 
see any interest in caring. Should I really care?, That's not my business and so on, that't the 
mentality of mankind. We are evolving consumers, not living creatures. Being told that we 
should collect as many goodies as possible (or money at the account) instead of just expiri- 
encing life, we simply do it. There is no much passion left around in this world, people who 
are passionate bout their lives shine like diamonds among others. It makes me feel so good to 
meet such people who do have lives and instead of talking bout their jobs, being promoted, 
new car or fuck only knows what, they have beautiful lives I could listen about for ages. But 
most of the people are not even able to talk about anything more indepth, just stupid small 
talks. Fuck that. 

I look around and I don't see so much sense of community, there is enough envy and hostil- 
ity instead. This is what killing us . We cannot go along with each other, because of our egos 
and lack of ability to forgive. That's why we are so easy to be fucked. Divide and conquer 
politics goes really deep into the very single piece of ourselves. 

The change I would love to see happening is cutting this shit I was talking above off. We 
should forget bout all these petty problems, stupid shit and see ourselves more as people we 
could do things together not potential enemies. I am not talking about building a mass hippie 
comune. We just should look at ourselves from different point and have a better sense of 
empathy. 

I can only speak for myself. I just try not to be prejudiced against anybody as I used to be, I 
feel much better because of this. I think I finally understand that we are all so different and 
I really dig it. I know that together we can do much more instead of losing time 
proving who's right and who's wrong. I used to waste a good doze of time proving 
how righteous I am and to prove my opponents wrong. I am more 
interested into just having good life and live with good people. Once 
you built something positive, you wil 
attract more people, you can create 
something with a 



Born Free Die Free 

"You let them rape your soul, put the loop on your neck. 

They took it all and gave nothing back. They made you feel guilty. 

They made you feel proud. Saying you're pure or filthy right to your face and loud. 

Do you think you can earn to be saved? Would you like to live the life you deserve? Are you happy 

with being their slave? Wanna set yourself free or end up in a grave? You let them rape your soul, put the loop on 

your neck. As life takes its toll you're slowly getting wrecked. You pretend to smile. Choked under the surface. Born free, 

Shackled you'll die caught up in a rat race. Do you think you can earn to be saved? Would you like to live the life you 

deserve? Are you happy with being their slave? Set yourself free or end up in a grave and if you died tomorrow, what would 

you do today? Would you still serve this giant with the feet made of clay? Would you take your chance to taste the real life? 

Or would you spend this very last day to set the best quality last rites? Born free, die free." 



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Escape Failure 

"I let myself think that things are black and white. Was led astray corrupted by my ego and pride. I let myself be fed on lies and 
be deceived. 1 was the stereotype I hated to believe. 1 escaped failure. 1 lardships I endure. I let the past go 7 Am I telling ^^J 
you something you don't already know? Escape failure. Escape failure. Make it through? Am I in any way different 
from you? I wanna say fuck your popularity contest. Strike me off, count me out, I won't be next. _ 
This game you played, all of you failed. I won't look up to the heroes you bred to be -^^ 

worshipped and praised." 



good foundation. You won't create anything good based on 
envy, frustration or hatred, at least it won't last long. Forget about it. 
What goes around comes around, no shit. 

What would you say has been the biggest compromise for you in making deci- 
sions that not necessarily go together with what your heart tells you? Do you feel 
like you have to "sell out" a lot in order to live in this society? 

I feel like I sleep with my enemy a lot. I am part of the machine, as 1 need money to 
support myself and that's why I spend most of my day somewhere I don't belong 
really. But at least I recognize what I am and what I want to be. Sometimes it's hard to 
realize that life just passes like sand through hands (still marked!) and I don't have 
enough time for myself to work on things T would like to do. That's my compromise 
that I make to be able to support my plans. And I don't feel depressed about that. It's 
still much better than not having life at all. As long as I have my beliefs and hope, 
step-by-step I will get closer to my destination. 

Seriously, 1 shouldn't complaint really about my life and I don't. I work because I need 
money for things I love. It's not the other way. You could say that all of the things I 
am involved with are just escape from everyday life to get some relief but the thing is 
that this is the real world and real life and what I do everyday is like defending my 
territory by any means necessary. And I don't feel I sell out at all. Selling out would 
be denying what you believe not doing these things against your will. Selling out is 
turning into a dick who doesn't care. You can probably write a book bout how much I 
suck but the latter accusation would be kind of exaggeration, haha. 

So you have just come back from your tour with Undying. How important was 
this experience for you as the band and on the individual level? What did you 
learn during those 3 weeks? 

The tour was great. Undying peeps were awesome, we had lots of fun and good laugh. 
Really good guys. I love traveling and it is indeed the time when you can learn a lot. 
You learn bout yourself and the others. You learn a lot of patience and how to cooper- 
ate and do things together and be just and equal in things you get from life. Simple 
things like carrying the 
shit, doing merch, eat- 
ing, sleeping, who sits 
where in the van, stupid 
shit like that makes your 
day or turns you feeling 
down. And the best is 
that you don't really 
know what to expect 
from the next day, who 
will you meet and how 
the show is going to be. 
I also learnt that peeing 
into the bottle is not that 
easy as it seems. 

You have gotten quite 
a lot of response from 
the, let's say, strictly 
metal scene. What kind 
of feedback did you 
get? Was it important 
for you to kind of go 
across the different 
underground scenes in 
order to reach more 
people with your mes- 
sage? 



For a HC band it is quite a lot I guess. It 
is mostly concerned with our music and our message are 
mostly kind of interesting but nobody made really fun of 
us or something. It is just pretty uncommon. We didn't 
really push it hard to be a part of metal scene, if it hap- 
pens that's cool, as being a band rooted in HC we want 
everybody to listen to our shit. We have our stand but our 
intentions has never been to sing about straight edge for 
straight edge kids or anythig like this. I also have nothing 
against people who just like our music, that's cool with 
me. Last year we played 10 shows for more metal ori- 
ented crowd, which was kind of cool. Sometimes 90% of 
the crowd were metalheads which was kind of weird but 
response was good. We also had some good reviews, 
interviews and I could say that we were quite recogniz- 
able among metalheads. Anyway, the vibe and atmos- 
phere of HC gig couldn't be beaten, forget about it! 

As we speak a new year begins and everyone tends to 
reflect on the previous 12 months... What was the 
most beautiful/the most shocking thing(s) that caught 
your attention in 2005? 

A friend of mine texted me to let me know that there's a 
chance that there could be new season of the mighty Twin 
Peaks! I was psyched big time to find it out, I still really 
am. Hey Mark Frost, if you read this neat fanzine - do it, 
I insist! Last year was pretty cool. Hectic as always but I 
had a chance to visit so many nice places (like beloved 
Portugal) and met up with some cool people, watched 
bunch of cool shows and had a good time. Probably I 
should start bitching about election in Poland and how 
terrifying was to see the how right wing took the power 
over but I won't. Well, they don't make any difference, 
they speak worse bullshit indeed but they suck not much 
more than the ones before them. 




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Picture: 
Patrycja Gagan 



So what 
are your 
hopes and 
thoughts right 
now about your future as far as play- 
ing music, being active etc.? Is there 
much of a confusion or uncertainty? 

Frankly speaking I can't see myself less 
busy than I was when Sunrise was 
around. Well formally it is around an- 
other month until we will be disbanded 
after our last show on April 23rd. I work 
a lot, I book shows here in Warsaw, I live 
with my girlfriend, I hang out with my 
friends and well... we already rehearse 
with our new band. There's no confusion 
at all, I am totally sure that calling it 
quits was a good decision made in the 
best time. No sour taste in my mouth, no 
crying over spilled milk, no hard feel- 
ings. There is a couple of things to do 
just to close the chapter and move for- 
ward. 

Thank you so much for the interview 
and all you did with Sunrise... 

No, I thank you! Fanzines like yours 
make my heart pumping blood faster. It 
has the vibe and you have the heart. 
Dude, both of these things are hard to 
find nowadays. Even in the HC scene. I 
am pretty happy that I could speak out 
for Stop, Look and Listen. Keep it up. 
And to all of you - never lose heart. 



/■ 'T-t 



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1 





NEVER LOSE HEART 



XXX 

I don't think there are many other feelings that can be compared to the one of doing something by yourself, giving it a lot of thought or just creating it 
suddenly under the influence of specific moment, working on it, developing the idea and then eventually sharing it with others often receiving feed- 
back. It's a process like any other, but the way it's presented and the results of it may make it different. We type up and design pages that make up 
zines, fold innumerous covers and put them with vinyls, we spend hours writing and rehearsing songs just to get it right. . . all for the sake of being 
creative, expressing ourselves and sharing it with one another. In my experience it's also about having control, being inspirational, trying to make a 
change and be supportive. Is this what Doing It Yourself means to you? 

So how much of what we really do is from ourselves and based on mutual respect and understanding? It's kind of disappointing when trust is being 
replaced by signatures on a piece of paper, that can later be used to resolve all misunderstandings. It's also disappointing when you can not talk to 
those you just listened to because they are the band and you 



are the audience and you will sooner bump into the bouncers 
rather than a band. It's disappointing when the only way to 
secure sales is by buying a few seconds of advertisement on 
the screen... And it's sad when you are being ignored unless 
your expression is wrapped up in the colorful and attractive 
packaging. 

But hey, first and foremost there is this number of committed 
people all over the world that will do something positive out 
of dedication and care. People that communicate and share 
opinions, ideas and their concerns without looking for profits. 
Their words, their music and their attitude mean more than 
what's just on the outside. The motivation comes from the 
heart and most of the time is not necessarily paying off in a 
material sense, but personal satisfaction and value of gained 
experiences can be enormous. Of course you meet different 
people and get screwed over at times, but to all those sincere 
and dedicated I thank for inspiration and keeping this place 
alive. 
R. 
XXX 




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CRUCIAL h RESPONSt M RECORDS] 






Maybe it's the fact that one of 
the first vinyl records I ever 
could afford and purchased 
was released by Crucial Re- 
sponse, or the fact that there 
are so many good bands on 
this label, but I have always 
liked CxR and decided that it 
was a time for me to interview 
Peter. The timing couldn 't be 
better. The label currently has 
released a few very good re- 
cords as well as a much antici- 
pated fan zine called "A Voice 
Of Generation ". This latest 
project should be considered a 
classic very soon and I'm 
happy to hear that the new 
issue is being planned. I'm 
also happy that this label is 
still around and survived being 
loyal to it's principals. I think 
that 's something for all of us to 
respect and admire. 
I would like to thank Peter for 
his time and doing this inter- 
view. It was done via magical, 
virtual messenger and we 
started late at night and fin- 
ished about 3 o'clock in the 
morning. I owe huge thanks to 
him for staying awake haha 
and having the energy to an- 
swer my questions. 
I hope you will enjoy it as 
much as I did ! 
R. 



Maybe to start with tell me what was the most difficult/the most inspiring thing that happened in your life in 
recent weeks... 

Recently, that's a good one... Actually the most inspiring thing was working on the Voice Of A Generation fanzine 
with my old friend Arne Haabeth. We had so much fun. We were dwelling in the past when we put the zine to- 
gether. It was for me really inspiring. 

Well, the most difficult one... Putting the zine together. Both of us have high standards and it was challenging. Plus 
it took longer than we thought. People already send cash and it got a pain dealing with it. Of course it is understand- 
able. You want to get your zine as fast as possible. 

Could you tell me more about the idea behind the zine and why did you decide not to charge a fixed price for 
it but accept donations? That's very punk I think... 



Of course it is! Minor Threat is punk, right?! 






More than anything else probably, Dischord as a label and attitude is one of the most punk things around in 
my opinion... 

Dischord is one of the most inspiring things in punk rock. Till today! They still hold true to their initial ideas. I'm 
not too keen on the music they put out the last couple of years, but the ideals are still authentic and honest! Well the 
idea of the donation: People should realize the initial idea of hardcore / punk and give it a bit more thought. It's 
more than music (referring to Verbal Assault) It was really interesting how people reacted. Some got the idea pretty 
quickly, they thought it's cool. While others were really confused about it. They asked for a fix price. 

Are you trying to promote certain kind of attitude in the punk/hardcore scene with your zine? What are 
those initial ideas of hc/punk you mentioned earlier ? 

Yes, start to think again and show respect to other people and ideas! The initial idea was when hardcore got really 
underground in the early eighties is that you can do everything yourself, no matter what. Nowadays hardcore labels 
are operating like major labels. It's hilarious. I just want to share fun and that everybody is equal. There are so 
many things you can rebel against. In the early eighties we had Reagan, now we have Bush. What's the difference?! 

We don't care? Or we care but it does not sell as good as the stuff that's not socially involved? 

Let's put it that way: hardcore became an old thing and it's time question certain things again like in the eighties. 

So do you think it is possible to get to the bigger crowd with our message without operating in a slightly more 
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Yes, I think it's possible. Of course not with a label like Crucial Response which is really small. 
But labels like Dischord have a lot of power. For example the Nike thing... The company was 
forced to take back the campaign. 

Yeah, I thought that it was really powerful if Nike had to take a notice of Dischord and all 
the people that showed support by writing complaints and letters.... 

I think it's cool. I wouldn't condemn bands switching to major labels per se but the thing about 
hardcore is to go up to bands before and after a show. There're no barriers here and people 
should realize these things again. 

Would you be disappointed if any of bands from CxR went to the major label if they were 
offered a contract? 

It just depends but that's a difficult question. I just want to support the initial idea of hardcore. I 
grew up with all these ideals. I love labels like X-Claim, Dischord, Touch & Go. They showed 
it's possible to have an impact on people. You can run a show by yourself, even you can create 
your press, record label. . . 

So is this how Crucial Response started? Let's go back to 1989 and tell me how the idea 
began, what were your plans and your motivations.... 

Well, it started with my friend Andreas Griiter and Georg Opora. Both helped me with the label 
in the beginning. The plan was to create a hardcore label. We all were into the idea of pushing 
the idea of straight edge and putting a message across. We just felt it's possible to have a label 
like Dischord with a total integrity (not that I think you can compare Crucial Response with a 
label like Dischord). But we got a lot of inspiration from a label like Dischord. 
Youth Of Today came over in early 89 and that was of course the extra push. Youth Of Today 
was amazing, one of the best bands I ever saw. We just wanted to give the scene a positive mes- 
sage! At most of the shows we had conflicts with drunken punks who had a problem when we 
X'ed up at shows. 

Did you feel like there was a need for a strictly SxE label? Were there any other SxE labels 
around that you got support and advice from? 

Well, that was the plan in the beginning. We put out most bands who were into the straight edge 
message. We haven't gotten to much advice from people or labels directly. We thought if they 
can do it, we can do it as well. I found two articles in fanzines how to press records and that's 
how it started. Revelation Records was a major influence as well. 
We just got inspired by those examples. And hey, if they can do it we can do it as well. 

Could you tell me please what were the first 5 CxY releases? Is there any reason why they 
are not included in the discography that's on your site? 

Because I started Anti-Schlelski Records in 87 and in 89 I switched the name to Crucial Re- 
sponse. I still want to add those releases to the discography on the website. The first press of the 
Profound 7" was released under Anti-Schelski, the other pressings of the Profound were put out 
under Crucial Response when 1 switched the name. 

So basically there were SxE bands around in Germany/Holland but there was no SxE label 
that would release their music ? 

In the beginning not too many. Profound was around, Betray started pretty soon after. 

The scene changed a lot esp. when Youth Of Today came over. 

In our area we started with like 3 people and short after that more and more people 

became straight edge. 

In Holland you had Larm, they were the first straight edge band. They broke up around 88 I 

think. 

But straight edge got pretty much popular after Youth Of Today came over. 

Socialism became a pretty big part of the European SxE scene in early 90tees. How kids 
got involved in it and introduced these left wing ideas into the movement? 

Because ManLiftingBanner was a pretty influential band (two people from MLB played in Larm 
before). In '89 you had the wall coming down and you could read in every newspaper the down- 
fall of Socialism. Like with every young kids they questioned those things and esp. in the hard- 
core scene. Band like Larm, Seein' Red and ManLiftingBanner made people more aware of those 
things. I think that's why it became an issue in the early nineties. Feeding the Fire was also a big 
part of it and somewhat Spawn. It just evolved. 

Did your label get any negative feedback after releasing and supporting bands like Man 
Lifting Banner that had strong socialist/communist message? 

The band and I got some negative feedback here and there. X-Mist Records (a German label) 




BROTHERHOOD 



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was made such a big issue about, also Zap magazine gave us some shit. X-Mist made up fliers to 
spread at shows. 

To boycott CxR or MLB? 

Well, they gave us some shit, not really boycott but it was pretty tough. We got into some argu- 
ments at shows but then it helped to establish a band like ManLiftingBaner. They got their mes- 
sage around. 

Did/do you yourself support socialists or any other political group? 

I was never part of a party but I was supporting "Bund Sozialister Arbeiter". I was going to their 
meetings and was selling their newspaper. A friend of mine got really heavy into it for a while. 

Do you miss those times and the period when the label was just picking up? What was the 
best about those years? 

It depends. Things were much easier and fun. You had to do a lot more grassroots work to start 
a label. Nowadays with the internet it seems much easier to get a band name around when it's 
hyped up on message boards. 

Does it bother you that people may judge or see your label as the one that promotes only 
the classic old school/Hard Core bands? Would you ever consider releasing a heavier 
sounding record with some i.e. metal influences? 

Actually I did release much heavier bands the last couple of years. It evolved naturally with 
bands like No Denial, True Blue and Strike First. I just want to support bands whom I've been 
friends with. For example after Mainstrike Big started No Denial which had a lot more Cro- 
Mags influence in their music. But it doesn't bother me at all... Crucial Response will remain a 
hardcore label. 

What is the most valuable thing you have learnt through your involvement in the hard 
core scene? 

To question yourself and I learned a lot about who is your friend and who is not. For example 
doing the zine was also a challenge for myself in a lot of ways. Also as I referred already above: 
it's important to stick to your goals and put a message across. Also I'm learning a lot when 
things getting rougher. It's like a test but that is life in general... I guess. 

Do you think of CxR as an important part of European SxE history? I personally really 
can't imagine European Hard Core scene being what it is, without Crucial Response Re- 
cords... 

Oh thanks. But European hardcore was around before Crucial Response. You had a lot of good 
bands like Negazione, Raw Power, Indegsti, Laim, Heresy, Ripcord... 

I meant more your influence in the 90es... 

For me it is a privilege putting out bands. I am really thankful that I got the chance to release so 

many good bands. 

I have to thank the bands for the trust and friendship without them Crucial Response wouldn't 

exist. 

Where would you like to see CxR going? Is it easy for you to have this friendship and trust 
with the new bands that are around (in order to keep releasing records) like you had with 
i.e. Mainstrike? 

That's really hard actually and that's the reason I will release less and less bands. I think it's time 
to go back into the unknown. Today there are a lot of new labels that will carry the torch. As for 
Mainstrike I worked really close with them for more than 5 years. I think that's not possible 
anymore. It was a lot of fun. 

What is your understanding of DIY and do you ever compromise it when working on run- 
ning CxR or doing a zine? 

Like I mentioned above, you can create your own scene apart form mainstream society and mu- 
sic. In that sense I haven't compromised at all. Puh, probably I made mistakes but I tried to stick 
to DIY ethics. 



"For me 
that 



it is a privilege putting out bands. I am really thankful 
I got the chance to release so many good bands." 



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What are your most favorite hard core records (not necessarily re- 
leased by CxR but other labels as well) and how did they change 
your life ? 

"We are not in this alone" LP. When I heard this LP I became vegetar- 
ian. 

SSD "The kids will have their say". You can run your own hardcore 
business. 

MDC and Dead Kennedys just for 
being politically outspoken. 
Also Larm played an important role 
in my life because they spoke sin- 
cere about socialism. Larm was the 
first European band who had an 
impact on me. Those guys were 
also doing Definite Choice fanzine 
which was really challenging and 
inspiring. 

And AC/DC of course because they 
know how to rock! 

Mai la definitely ! Can you imag- 
ine the day you stop releasing 
records and your life without 
running CxR? 

Why not? But as long as friends 

asking me about putting out a record I will continue with it. 

It's been such a big part of your life, that it would be a big change for 
you, don't you think? 




I have a lot of other interest actually but I really love to run the label. For 
me it's a lot of fun. I used to get sick like 2 or 3 years ago but lately I 
have so much fun. Like I said doing the zine was challenging for myself 
and I feel really good about the Birds Of A Feather 7". 

Do you hope to make a difference in the scene with A Voice Of Gen- 
eration and hard core you write about in this zine? 

No idea, we got some really good 
feedbacks so far. Hopefully we can do 
at least 3 or 4 issues. We have so much 
plans and ideas. For example in num- 
ber 3 or 4 I want to have a 7" compila- 
tion coming with the zine. For number 
two, we will have planned another 
project 7" like in the first issue but it is 
still in the early stages. 

So what would you say has been the 
most challenging for you personally 
when working on your zine? 

Just to challenge myself! 

And that's again the most punk 
thing you could do haha! Thank you 
so much for doing this interview ! I 
think we have come to a full circle by starting this interview with 
talking about the zine and ending it with the zine as well.... 

You are welcome. Thanks for the interview. I have to thank, the inter- 
view was really inspiring and interesting! 



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It was around 1990 when I went to the first Punk 
show, of course after long hours of convincing 
my mother that I'll not get killed and finish 
homework before I leave. Upstairs, on the first 
floor, in the local ballroom building played a few 
local bands with kids going nuts. The equipment 
sucked, dudes managing vocal duties were strug- 
gling with microphones, screaming their guts off 
so people would be able to understand some- 
thing. Still, that was a really awesome experi- 
ence and from there it went really quickly. I got a 
number of tapes of bands from my area, and 
most of them really influenced me and the way I 
was beginning to look at the world. Those tapes 
were mostly recorded by bands in their base- 
ments or garages on a simple tape recorder sit- 
ting on the floor in the middle of their practice 
space. You can imagine that the quality wasn '?... 
the best, shall we say? But still, those bands 
managed to create something special that I took 
into my life. I think we all have such recordings 
in our lives, that some would consider as boring 
or weak but we love to bits... no matter what 
anybody else says. 

I would like to believe that among the stuff that 
you can read about on these pages and anywhere 
else, there are records that may cause in people 
who listen to them, strong emotions or even may 
become something of a big inspiration in their 
lives. These records may do it, or they may not... 
but I'm not going to criticize someone for what 
they are doing because they don 't sound Core 
enough, they are not being hyped or nobody 
knows about them therefore it won 't sell. I'm far 
from kissing up either and will point out my 
dislikes or if something strikes me in a negative 
way. But I 'm just saying that everything honest 
and expressive has a potential to become an 
important record in somebody's life and there- 
fore I try to appreciate evetyone 's effort. 
Maybe I'm naive enough to believe that for 
some kid in a small town who picks up a sincere 
and energetic record (even if not the best qual- 
ity), this kid may have the best time ever and 
spend all the evenings listening to it, mixing 
excitement with inspiration. I know that this is 
possible, as once I was that kid and in many 
ways still hope that I am...R. 

It's not my thing to contact labels and ask for 
promo materials. I review mostly stuff that I have 
bought myself in recent months, but there were 
also some records sent in. Thank you to everyone 
who mailed their stuff! If you come across this 
zine and would like to mail your releases you 
should know that I'm not the best at reviewing 
music haha. Also please do not send me any 
promotional copies or even worse, ask me for 
email address so your record company can send 
me your material in mp3 form with a request for 
pre-release review. I'm not really into it as well 
as I don 't interview bands when label asks me to 
arrange it for promotional purposes. As crazy as 
it may sound these things has really been hap- 
pening causing panic attacks in my little unpro- 
fessional world. All I'm interested in are music, 
lyrics and artwork on original copy of band 's 
record. That's all I wanna write about. And if 
you can throw in a little note saying who, when 
and why then that would be awesome. 
Thanks! 
R. 




Anchors Away - "Nuckin' Futs" CD (Significant Records) 

Dudes out of Florida! Before I have played the actual CD I had a closer look at the insert. Joking 
title, cool drawing on the cover presenting ocean, ships, pirates etc. This funny stuff maybe a bit 
misleading as Anchors Away plays some traditional Hard Core stuff with some pretty pissed off 
lyrics. Although nothing revolutionary, it's all very well arranged and played. Their songs have 
lots of interesting moments so it's not boring. As far as words they deal mostly with their disap- 
pointments, not listening to people's bullshit etc. If that's their first recording it's pretty well 
done. 

www. signficantrecords. com 
anchor saw aypunk@fiotmail. com 

Blacklisted - "The Beat Goes On" LP (Reflections Records) 

They were a strong band right from the start, or at least from when I heard their demo I thought 
they were really amazing. There is a natural progression throughout all their records that followed, 
including "The Beat Goes On" that is truly amazing. Starting with the first seconds of "Tourist" 
you know that Blacklisted play with a full force and expression. I think that the main message 
behind the this record is to live fully as everything constantly changes, people that were close are 
gone, there are lots of obstacles on the way but we should never stop and keep carrying on with 
our lives. Blacklisted is really one of these bands that have never disappointed me with any of their 
recordings and they always manage to create something interesting. I just regret I had not been 
able to get into their show and see how powerful this stuff comes out live. 
www. blacklistedhardcore. com 
www. deathwishinc. com 
www. reflectionsrecords. com 

Break It Up - "No Sides" LP (Dead & Gone Records) 

This LP isn't the newest as it came out last year, but I need to mention it. This debut full length 

from Break It Up had been 
really widely anticipated and it 
came out really good! There 
I are some experienced members 
" py .-?■ in the band's line up and you 
\ j I can hear that they know how to 
play their Hard Core and keep 
your attention all the way. The 
formula is straight forward: 
about 2 minute songs, nice 
guitar work with solos, some 
slower parts and back ups. 
That's the way it's suppose to 
be played and Break It Up has 
1 no problems with it, creating 
J something interesting and their 
own. If you haven't got it already, check it out! Like they say: quality Hard Core! 
www. deadandgonerecordings. com 
www. breakitup. tk 

Chaos Days - Demo 2005 CD-R 

Well, it's not like there is some kind of revival going on but in recent months I have come across a 
number of bands that play their Hard Core with melody. Here is another band that celebrates HC 
in the vein of Lifetime, early Saves The Days or Siren (especially vocals and remind me of this 
last one). Vocals are obviously more sung than screamed, and dude on microphone manages it 
very well getting help from back ups once in a while. Lyrics deal with a bunch of stuff starting 
from friendships, moving forward in life and finishing with reflections on religion. It's pretty cool! 
Chaos Days could be ruling your stereo. 
www. my space, com/chaosdays 
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Dark Day Dungeon - "By Blood Undone" CD (Let It 
Burn Records) 

This is something that I don't listen to everyday but like 
a lot every now and then. Very metallic, very heavy with 
some mosh parts and I guess Swedish bands would be an 
inspiration here. You can hear from the very beginning 
that these guys know exactly what they want to achieve 
and how to do it. The music and vocals are very well 
written and arranged. It's good to read lyrics that actu- 
ally sound real and express more personal feelings of 
facing different painful situations, rather than some mys- 
terious trips into the land of the guy with 666 and horns 
on his head. Oh, and art work was done by Dave Quig- 
gle himself and looks pretty cool. If you like metallic 
sounds this is of a very high quality. 
www. darkdaydungeon. com 
www. letitburnrecords. com 

Eye Of Judgment - "The War Has Begun" EP 

(New Eden Records) 

It'd good to see New Eden growing as a label and releas- 
ing more stuff. Eye Of Judgment impressed me with 
their demo so I was really looking forward to checking 
out their first release. And this stuff does not differ much 
as far as message that is still the same: humanity is like a 
sickness and will have to pay for its crimes. No doubt 
about it and the band expresses it very strongly. I may 
not agree with all the lyrics and what they represent, and 
I hope that their role is more of symbolic nature that is 
suppose to just open the eyes of those reading them. But 
the most important thing is that there are still people 
who deeply care for other suffering living beings, and 
try to do something about it. The amount of witnessed 
pain and injustice probably causes the most desperate 
emotions and Eye Of Judgment expresses it through 
their words and music. "Try to silence their screams, but 
there will always be those who fight and are willing to 
give it all to secure the future of animal rights". Vegan 
Straight Edge is still alive and spreading the threatening 
ideas! 

www. myspace. com/eyeofjudgement 
www. newedenrecords. com 

Forced March - Six Songs Demo CD-R 

That's not the most important thing but I think that this 
recording would sound whole lot better if guitar was 
recorded louder because it gets lost in the fury of their 
songs. Yes, these guys are angry and they express it in 
their heavy and crusty Core they play, and they do it 
pretty well. Lyrically it's about various social diseases 
and how to get your life back. Forced March supports 
DIY approach within the Hard Core Punk scene which is 
always good and also have an X in their address, so I 
assume they are SxE. This is a young band and has mes- 
sage they want to spread, I'm looking forward hearing 
recordings from some new sessions! 
www. myspace. com/forcedxmarch 
forcedmarch@hotmail. com 



Hands Down Now - Demo 2005 Tape (Crucial Attack) 
Fast and passionate Hard Core from the Netherlands! 
They really have a lot of great stuff going on there. 
Hands Down Now are I think relatively new band, but 
play very good Hard Core with cool lyrics written from 
more personal perspective, but describing life and what 
we are being faced with every day. Musically it's fast 
and straight forward, something probably along the lines 
of Floorpunch, but once again don't trust my compres- 
sions and check them out for yourself! These 6 songs 
make me want more which means this demo has done 
it's job and it's time to record some more! 
www. myspace. com/hdownnow 



You Choke - S/T CD (One Percent Records) 
This band started from the ashes of Holding On, which 
may be useful information if you had known them. Well, 
some of the lyrics are not my cup of tea, but overall this 
is really good! Music is grabbing attention: pretty heavy 
but fast, some breakdowns and guitar solos that rip 
through songs. You can hear that these dudes know how 
to play their Hard Core and do it well not letting you get 
bored when listening to their debut CD. "God save our 
sons and daughters as we lead them to the slaughter. 
Yellow ribbons and parades, hide the caskets draped 
with flags, still this won 't be won". There is some darker 
feeling to this stuff that I can't explain... Maybe it's this 
art work together with metallic riffs on this material, I 
don't know. But this certainly adds flavor to Hope You 
Choke! 

www. myspace. com/hopeyouchokempls 
www. onepercentrecords. com 

Invade - Demo 2006 CD 

"In the center of all that is grey and unsure, confused 
and mislead - I'm just another man with another set of 
ideas and a pen in hand". When someone writes such 
fucking good lyrics how can you not become interested? 
I came across Invade following a link on one of the 
message boards and when I finally checked their profile 
I was seriously impressed. They play some really heavy 
Hard Core with metal influences, with very intelligent 
and politically/socially charged lyrics. Music is well 
arranged and there are melodies and other elements that 
make their songs interesting. I really love the way lyrics 
are written, the style is cool and they will give you 
plenty to think about. They must be mostly inspired by 
living in such a country like the US where lies and ha- 
tred wrapped in patriotism and religion are being shoved 
in your face every day. Also they are sending their re- 
cord for donations or even free since the band has been 
formed to spread music and ideas, not to make money. If 
you are looking for some new bands that care a great 
deal for the world they live in, they desire change and 
want to be sincere about what are they doing - I strongly 
recommend you give Invade a chance! "I can only 
promise to be human and try my best to be aware ". Next 
issue, expect interview with Invade! 
www. myspace. com/invade 
invadehc@gmail. com 

I Stand Alone-Demo CD-R 

X above the "I" in the band's name might be suggesting 
that they are Straight Edge. Anyway I Stand Alone plays 
very good melodic Hard Core/Punk and this demo really 
gets my hopes up high. From the pictures in the insert I 
gather that band members have been around for a while 
now so I'm sure they know their trade well. And you can 
really hear it listening to these 4 songs: there is a mel- 
ody, again very good vocals that go perfectly with the 
music and everything in mid and faster tempos. I got the 
news that they are going to release their first EP together 
with a band called Handgun Bravado that has ex-Dag 
Nasty members! So now you know what's among their 
inspirations haha! I recommend this if you like melodic 
and energetic HC/Punk with some good sounding vo- 
cals! This really makes my day brighter! 
www. istandalone. co.uk 

Last Item - "Are You Really Down?" EP 

(The Essence) 

Finally a follow up to their awesome demo! 6 songs of 
really HARD Core music with some pretty pissed off 
lyrics. Their sound has improved and it's all just gone 
forward which makes this EP really good! Last Item is 
not typical Old School, as there are a lot of NYHC influ- 
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wouldn't be far from the truth. I like it a lot, and I know that the band has 
recorded some new stuff already and currently is looking for a label that 
would be interested to release it. "Hypothetically committed, internally 
frustrated. I just wonder if you have anything to say apart from analyzing 
other's lives...". These songs are really hard hitting! Awesome Hard 
Core band on a small label that puts out releases out of love for Hard 
Core - I don't need more than that. 
www. theessencehc. com 
www. my space, com/lastitem 

New Morality - "No Future" Tape (Light The Fuse) 
Light The Fuse is not only one of the best European Hard Core festivals, 
but has become as well a record label! New Morality plays stuff inspired 
by NYHC in my ears, and I like their songs, sometimes only wish they 
picked up a little bit to give it even more power. But their mid-tempo 
style still comes out really good, and I'd like to hear it live. Lyrics are 
rather personal and have more "I" than "You", which is always good to 
hear. "Looking back now I realize, pointed my finger in the wrong way. 
Blinded by my anger now I regret remains. Wish I did it different with 
you and me". This band has really big potential and I'm really curious 
about their future recordings! 
thenewmorality@gmail. com 
www. lightthefuse. nl 

Nothing Done - "Powertrip" LP (Not Just Words Records) 
Their EP was really good, and I think all the copies sold out very fast. 
This LP is even better and they recorded really impressive stuff here! 12 
songs in 1 5 minutes - you get the idea. Fast Hard Core Punk with some 
cool chaotic moments, that remind me of Black Flag but that's probably 
not most accurate comparison. Their songs are really tight with good 
riffing, some cool bass lines and overall very energetic. They definitely 
know their instruments well, and know how to use them to write some 
awesome tunes! Lyrically they deal mostly with being misunderstood, 
fakers in the scene etc. and dude on vocals screams it out with conviction 
so I guess it's all based on their experiences. "I'm in control'. I'm in con- 
troll I'm in control of my life!". Oh yes, and opening intro to the first 
song on the record is one of the best that I heard in along time, perfectly 
organized chaos haha. Absolute power! 
www. njwrecords. com 
www. nothingdone. tk 

Sirens - "Calling" CD (Let It Burn Records/Poison Free Records) 
I like this a lot actu- 
ally! I guess 10 years 
ago they might have 
been labeled as Hard 
Core with some Emo 
influences (I mean 
the real deal and not 
this poppy crap you 
hear nowadays), but I 
find it hard to de- 
scribe exactly what 
exactly Sirens sound 
like. They play 
straight forward Hard 
Core with some great 
melody that makes 
them really stand out 
in my opinion. This 
CD has 6 songs on it 
which guarantees that 
you will get enough 
for your enjoyment 
and not too much to 
stop appreciating it. 
The lyrics are all 
personal about strug- 
gles and finding some 
freedom and fulfill- 
ment in our lives. It's 
worth to mention that 
people involved in 



Sirens have been around for a quite a long time so they know what they 
are dedicated to. Really good stuff and I recommend this if you are look- 
ing for something deeply rooted in Hard Core with emotion and lots of 
melody. 

www. sir ensealling, com 
www.poisonfree. com 
www. letitburnrecords. com 

Turn The Screw— "S/T" EP (Not Just Words) 

I heard their demo tapes, and there is a very visible progression between 
the first and second sessions they put out. These guys are pretty young as 
I gather from the photos, but already play good stuff. It's all influenced 
by Boston stuff, equally old and new bands and done pretty good. It's 
angry, fast with some slower parts and overall it's a good piece of vinyl. 
"Every time you come up to me I know it's to tell me how much every- 
thing sucks and how you hate the things we do. Learn to live with it , 
cause things won 't get better unless you start acting and thinkong an- 
other way". Not Just Words just keeps not only supporting local scene, 
but also does not stop releasing decent stuff! 
pietervanoost@hotmail. com 
www. njwrecords. com 

Wasted Time - S/T EP (Grave Mistake Records) 
They start with a "Shameless" known from their demo and don't fucking 
stop going through another seven songs of fast and angry Hard Core. 
This EP is one of the best I have heard recently and have no doubts to 
recommend it. I have gotten totally into them just hearing first recordings 
that present some awesome song-writing as well as conscious lyrics. I'm 
still very much amazed by how good their lyrics are, starting with the 
way they are written, how much they contain, and what they express. 
This first proper release does not change my opinion that Wasted Time is 
one of the best bands that have come to be alive last year. "Arrogant 
patriots and maniacs in power will bring this world to it's final hours. 
From greedy hearts and corrupt minds. So much to destroy and not 
enough time". I can't also help mentioning that the band already writes 
material for another record! Well done also Grave Mistake for putting 
out another great piece of wax! 
Enough said, give it a try! 
wastedtimesucks@yahoo. com 
www.gravemistakerecords. com 

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